q8200 or e6300 wolfdale? - Overclock.net

Landoram · 2 Weeks Ago

Brand spaking new to oc'ing. I've spent many hours researching the topic (thanks to most here and Tom's). I want to try my first oc rig, but I need some guidance.

I am building a pc for my dad using spare parts I had after upgrading a few things the the HP I bought last year that had a q8200. I figured since he needed something new (using my old college pc from 2000!), I could buy him a mb, cpu, and ram, and use the psu and video card I swapped out of my HP.

As I thought about it though, I figured, why not get a few more goodies for me in the process? I got a gigabyte board that I am going to keep for my oc, and I'm giving him my crappy, locked down mobo from HP. Because I wanted to do this, I found one of the cheapest Wolfdale chips I could find so the mobo's could be swapped.

Here's the dilemma: I now have a q8200, and a new Pentium Dual Core e6300. I've researched the heck out of these, and I am aware they are budget chips, so I'm not expecting anything out of this world, but I'm trying to decide which to keep. I also have other components I am debating which to keep (RAM).

I know the q8200 easily oc to 2.8...and then depending on mobo, atmospheirc pressure, day of week, some folks get it around 3.2 to 3.5 stable.

I also know that the wolfdale dual core's are monster overclockers, and it is quite possible to achieve a 4+ oc.

So I'm torn. I'm going to list the components I have, and would REALLY appreciate guidance on building the best rig. I game, but not extreme, like crysis or anything (that's what ps3 is for), but I do play high-end simulation and strategy games that are pretty demanding, but also use this pc to record hdtv, run TVersity (so transcoding on the fly), and work on it during week. I may take the work off this pc and use an old latop I have laying around, since I just remote into office and work, I would appreciate the lower power consumption :P

Here are the parts I'm debating keeping or giving to dad:
CPU: q8200 (4mb cache, 2.3 stock), e6300 (2mb cache, 2.8 stock)
Memory: 4 2x2gb Samsung (think PNY) ddr2 800, 2 2x2 mushkin ddr2 1066

I'm keeping:
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-E645M-UD2H
PSU: corsair tx650w psu
GPU: nvidia gts 250
Tuner: hauppauge 1600 hvr
HDD: 750g SATA 3.0
Aftermarket CPU HSF: Nexus FLC-3000 to use Arctic Silver (could use suggestions as best method to apply)

I'm picking up a new CoolerMaster case today for my rig.

So, thoughts on CPU Memory combo for how I use it, and oc suggestions (ram timings to pair best with whatever you suggest for CPU)?

J-vibe · 2 Weeks Ago

You typed a page and a half. Wow thats a lot to read. You said you made some research. Did you come across some overclocking guide? Or something like that

Landoram · 2 Weeks Ago

Sorry bout that. In trying to explain usage, I got a bit longwinded. WOn't bore you with the URL's of all the research pages so I'll summarize (I can add them if you want)

Basically, seems like the 7 multiplier is a big bottleneck on OC the q8200, but, 4mb cache, quad-core seems to fit my usage better, and might get to low 3ghz on OC.

But e6300 (2mb cache), with potential for mid to high 3ghz (higher multiplier of Wolfdale architecture) might also fit better for day to day and gaming speed.

And for RAM, don't know if 4gb 1066 > 8gb 800, or how to really balance RAM speed to FSB for 1:1 or 5:4 ratios. Timings are a new concept to me.

FSF-Foxhound · 2 Weeks Ago

Don't get a GTS 250, get a HD 4870 or HD 4850. If you don't, see if you could get a 9800 GTX+ (A GTS 250 but cheaper)

anyway, get a E6300. A Q8200 is a horrible quad. I'd take a E6300 over that any day

Landoram · 2 Weeks Ago

Too late on the parts...I already own them

But now that I've learned so much, my next builds will have better parts.

I've used the q8200 for the last year at stock speeds, and overall has been ok for me, but now I'm hungry for more power!

Acoma_Andy · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Landoram

Sorry bout that. In trying to explain usage, I got a bit longwinded. WOn't bore you with the URL's of all the research pages so I'll summarize (I can add them if you want)

Basically, seems like the 7 multiplier is a big bottleneck on OC the q8200, but, 4mb cache, quad-core seems to fit my usage better, and might get to low 3ghz on OC.

But e6300 (2mb cache), with potential for mid to high 3ghz (higher multiplier of Wolfdale architecture) might also fit better for day to day and gaming speed.

And for RAM, don't know if 4gb 1066 > 8gb 800, or how to really balance RAM speed to FSB for 1:1 or 5:4 ratios. Timings are a new concept to me.

Most people rarely use more then 3GB, so I think 8GB is rather overkill. Either way 2x2GB 1066 will be plenty if you ask me. Also about the ratios, running 1:1 is not important at all and people should stop spreading that myth. Basically you want the highest memory speed possible, with the tightest timings the memory modules can run.

Jrice00 · 2 Weeks Ago

If I were you, I would keep the quad and OC it as far as possible (not much thanks to its multi and fsb). The e6300 is an older processor and has less cache. Games are now starting to use more than 2 cores. Since your best OC will probably be 3Ghz on each, you would benefit from the quad. I'm not too knowledgeable on RAM so I won't try and help you there

FSF-Foxhound · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Jrice00

If I were you, I would keep the quad and OC it as far as possible (not much thanks to its multi and fsb). The e6300 is an older processor and has less cache. Games are now starting to use more than 2 cores. Since your best OC will probably be 3Ghz on each, you would benefit from the quad. I'm not too knowledgeable on RAM so I won't try and help you there

e6300 is newer than the Q8200

Fyi? · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Landoram

Here's the dilemma: I now have a q8200, and a new Pentium Dual Core e6300. I've researched the heck out of these, and I am aware they are budget chips, so I'm not expecting anything out of this world, but I'm trying to decide which to keep. I also have other components I am debating which to keep (RAM).

The Q8200 sucks, but at least it has 4 cores. If you're going to multitask heavily then Ide get the Q8200. Otherwise if you're just going to game and really want to overclock, Ide stay away from it and go E6300.

I also know that the wolfdale dual core's are monster overclockers, and it is quite possible to achieve a 4+ oc.
yes

So I'm torn. I'm going to list the components I have, and would REALLY appreciate guidance on building the best rig. I game, but not extreme, like crysis or anything (that's what ps3 is for), but I do play high-end simulation and strategy games that are pretty demanding, but also use this pc to record hdtv, run TVersity (so transcoding on the fly), and work on it during week. I may take the work off this pc and use an old latop I have laying around, since I just remote into office and work, I would appreciate the lower power consumption :P

You mentioned recording and transcoding, this is maybe when you'll want a Quad, although if you don't video encode much then I wouldn't say.

^^^^

Landoram · 2 Weeks Ago

I'm seeing my dilemma play out before my eyes by all the experts!

The more I think about it, I'm probably more of a multi-tasker than a gamer, b/c I use my PS3 for most gaming needs, so a faster multi-core is probably the way to go from what I am reading. But it's SOOO hard to walk away from trying to push that pentium up near 4!

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Landoram New to Overclock.net Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Rep: 0 Unique Rep: 0 Trader Rating: 0	q8200 or e6300 wolfdale? Brand spaking new to oc'ing. I've spent many hours researching the topic (thanks to most here and Tom's). I want to try my first oc rig, but I need some guidance. I am building a pc for my dad using spare parts I had after upgrading a few things the the HP I bought last year that had a q8200. I figured since he needed something new (using my old college pc from 2000!), I could buy him a mb, cpu, and ram, and use the psu and video card I swapped out of my HP. As I thought about it though, I figured, why not get a few more goodies for me in the process? I got a gigabyte board that I am going to keep for my oc, and I'm giving him my crappy, locked down mobo from HP. Because I wanted to do this, I found one of the cheapest Wolfdale chips I could find so the mobo's could be swapped. Here's the dilemma: I now have a q8200, and a new Pentium Dual Core e6300. I've researched the heck out of these, and I am aware they are budget chips, so I'm not expecting anything out of this world, but I'm trying to decide which to keep. I also have other components I am debating which to keep (RAM). I know the q8200 easily oc to 2.8...and then depending on mobo, atmospheirc pressure, day of week, some folks get it around 3.2 to 3.5 stable. I also know that the wolfdale dual core's are monster overclockers, and it is quite possible to achieve a 4+ oc. So I'm torn. I'm going to list the components I have, and would REALLY appreciate guidance on building the best rig. I game, but not extreme, like crysis or anything (that's what ps3 is for), but I do play high-end simulation and strategy games that are pretty demanding, but also use this pc to record hdtv, run TVersity (so transcoding on the fly), and work on it during week. I may take the work off this pc and use an old latop I have laying around, since I just remote into office and work, I would appreciate the lower power consumption :P Here are the parts I'm debating keeping or giving to dad: CPU: q8200 (4mb cache, 2.3 stock), e6300 (2mb cache, 2.8 stock) Memory: 4 2x2gb Samsung (think PNY) ddr2 800, 2 2x2 mushkin ddr2 1066 I'm keeping: Mobo: Gigabyte GA-E645M-UD2H PSU: corsair tx650w psu GPU: nvidia gts 250 Tuner: hauppauge 1600 hvr HDD: 750g SATA 3.0 Aftermarket CPU HSF: Nexus FLC-3000 to use Arctic Silver (could use suggestions as best method to apply) I'm picking up a new CoolerMaster case today for my rig. So, thoughts on CPU Memory combo for how I use it, and oc suggestions (ram timings to pair best with whatever you suggest for CPU)?

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Landoram New to Overclock.net Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Rep: 0 Unique Rep: 0 Trader Rating: 0	Too much typing? :) Sorry bout that. In trying to explain usage, I got a bit longwinded. WOn't bore you with the URL's of all the research pages so I'll summarize (I can add them if you want) Basically, seems like the 7 multiplier is a big bottleneck on OC the q8200, but, 4mb cache, quad-core seems to fit my usage better, and might get to low 3ghz on OC. But e6300 (2mb cache), with potential for mid to high 3ghz (higher multiplier of Wolfdale architecture) might also fit better for day to day and gaming speed. And for RAM, don't know if 4gb 1066 > 8gb 800, or how to really balance RAM speed to FSB for 1:1 or 5:4 ratios. Timings are a new concept to me.

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Landoram New to Overclock.net Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Rep: 0 Unique Rep: 0 Trader Rating: 0	Too late on the parts...I already own them But now that I've learned so much, my next builds will have better parts. I've used the q8200 for the last year at stock speeds, and overall has been ok for me, but now I'm hungry for more power!

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Landoram New to Overclock.net Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Rep: 0 Unique Rep: 0 Trader Rating: 0	I'm seeing my dilemma play out before my eyes by all the experts! The more I think about it, I'm probably more of a multi-tasker than a gamer, b/c I use my PS3 for most gaming needs, so a faster multi-core is probably the way to go from what I am reading. But it's SOOO hard to walk away from trying to push that pentium up near 4!

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