Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Thread

[MrBogard]

I've been struggling to pick my CPU lately, mostly between the E6750 and E6850 -- and now taking a peak at intel's roadmap has just made it that much harder. If the E8400 really ships in January, and I'm able to get one in January, it's going to be hard not to wait for it. It would get me that 9x multiplier and 3.0Ghz stock performance at a simular price to the E6850, and an additional 2mb of L2. I'm not tempted to just buy my memory, motherboard, PSU, and cooler now -- and then sit on them for a month or so while I wait for the E8400 to ship.

That just complicates some other decisions as well though. If I do wait until January, maybe I should hold off on ordering my 8800GT until then too, just to see if the next revision to the G92 isn't out by then.. people have talked about the possibility of a new GTS for a while now.

[Slovak]

Originally Posted by MrBogard

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That just complicates some other decisions as well though. If I do wait until January, maybe I should hold off on ordering my 8800GT until then too, just to see if the next revision to the G92 isn't out by then.. people have talked about the possibility of a new GTS for a while now.

If you can wait, then wait, the 8800gt ought to be cheaper by then too.

[Crrust]

Wife's Rig running E4300 stable 24/7 @ 3.204GHz. Multiplier at 9, FSB at 356, vcore at 1.375, NB at +0.2, FSB at +0.2. I have tried 3.3 and higher but could not get it stable without an unacceptable increase in voltage. I am cooling with air and temperatures quickly become an issue. I am sold on these Gigabyte P35 boards. I just ordered the GA-P35-DS4 Rev 2.0 to replace my P5B Deluxe in my rig. Looking to get an E6750 to 3.8GHz or higher.

[Kill Phil]

Hitting 3.0 (9x333) easy, no voltage changes so far. Gonna stress this overnight to burn in fresh AS5. Getting 42C on both cores but so so far heat is not an issue. Looking at bumping vcore to 1.375 tomorrow.

Will get back tomorrow night with some new numbers.

[Pup Trainer]

Now i am not so sure of the system the way i was planning it SgtSpike

Originally Posted by Pup Trainer
Hello folks!
Going to build a machine and go with a the GA-P35-DS3L and give it a Q6600 cpu despite some of "the hick-ups" I have read about this board.

I really want this to run nice and clock it a bit to at least 3GHz...I have built quite a few machines, but I am not the brightest bulb when it comes to a few things! The first 2 that jump out is overclocking and ram..in fact I will admit I am just plain RAM STUPID, so please feel free to flame, but feel free to help me as well....please?

I really need help with picking out my memory for this new unit, and what i need to know is...Should I go with DDR2 1066 or DDR2 800 with this mobo and cpu combo? I know the 800 is really cheap right now, but if I will gain a lot and be more stable with 1066, then that is the way I will go. As I said, I want to clock the Q6600 to around 3GHz, and from what I have read, it does not seem like that will be any problem at all, I just want this thing to be fast and stable as possible. Any advice from you guys in trying to help me configure this and me getting a better understanding would be great!

Also, I am not going to install a 64 bit O.S....Sticking with 32 bit XP PRO for now, so will I be hurting or helping this adventure by putting 4x1 (4)gigs of ram in this system?

Most likely going with a GeForce 8800GT card already have a brand new Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER 700W PSU(on sale+40 buck rebate plus a gift certificate from frys i have been sitting on for a year, got it for almost nothing out of my pocket) as well if that makes any diff to the thought process here.

I really appreciate any help and /or direction you folks could give me! Thanks!

Originally Posted by SgtSpike
With a Q6600, ram will not be a holdup. It's got a 10x multiplier, which means that even if you had 667mhz memory, you could get to 3.3ghz without an OC on the memory. With that said, go with some 800mhz, you'll do fine with that.

Also, DO NOT get 4x1GB, do 2x2GB or 2x1GB. Lots of boards have problems with four sticks and trying to OC, and I'm pretty sure this is one of them.

The rest of your build looks great!

I have been trying my best to get up to speed and decide on what I am going to do with this build, and it seems about the only things I have decided are-The DS3L MOBO, Power Supply and Case

The new question i am asking myself is...Do I really need a QUAD CPU? Going to run a few games on this machine for myself, some SHOOTER games, and my girlfriend will be playing EVERQUEST II. Aside from that, just a bit of DVD ripping and encoding, but certainly nothing hard core that's for sure.

So....Would I be better off with a faster DUO(if so, which one...lol) over a slower QUAD(2.4GHz)? If I should re-think my cpu choice and go with a faster DUO, is it going to change your insight on my RAM questions? 800 or 1066?

Also, no matter which direction i go, i want a really nice heatsink to keep things as cool as i possibly can without going watercooled, any advice on that would be great too.

Again, i do thank you for your help and insight...I'm giving myself a headache

[SgtSpike]

Originally Posted by Pup Trainer

Now i am not so sure of the system the way i was planning it SgtSpike

I have been trying my best to get up to speed and decide on what I am going to do with this build, and it seems about the only things I have decided are-The DS3L MOBO, Power Supply and Case

The new question i am asking myself is...Do I really need a QUAD CPU? Going to run a few games on this machine for myself, some SHOOTER games, and my girlfriend will be playing EVERQUEST II. Aside from that, just a bit of DVD ripping and encoding, but certainly nothing hard core that's for sure.

So....Would I be better off with a faster DUO(if so, which one...lol) over a slower QUAD(2.4GHz)? If I should re-think my cpu choice and go with a faster DUO, is it going to change your insight on my RAM questions? 800 or 1066?

Also, no matter which direction i go, i want a really nice heatsink to keep things as cool as i possibly can without going watercooled, any advice on that would be great too.

Again, i do thank you for your help and insight...I'm giving myself a headache

Well, no worries. The thing is, no one here really NEEDS a quad core. No one. There's just hardly any use for one yet. Even Crysis doesn't perform much better on a quad core than a dual core, unless at very high video settings. That said, you'll probably be somewhat more future-proofed going with a quad, but if I were you, I would wait. Unless you're just really set on getting a quad core, which it sounds like you aren't.

If I were you, I'd get a cheap dual-core, and that way you can always upgrade to a quad core later if you need it for something. Something like an E4500 ($129 at newegg), or if you want slightly better (4mb cache instead of 2mb, higher stock speed), get the E6550 ($169 at newegg). I'd recommend the E4500, as you can OC it to at least 3ghz easy, and you really don't need anything more than that for what you mentioned.

The E4500 has an 11x multiplier, which means that you'll be able to OC it as high as it'll go on dirt cheap slow ram. In that case, it doesn't matter whether you get 667, 800, or 1066 memory. The E6550, on the other hand, only has a 7x multiplier, which means that you'll need at least a decent set of 800mhz, preferrably a set of 1066mhz memory to OC it a long ways. You'd probably be able to OC the E6550 further than the E4500, just because it's a better chip, but either one will hit at least 3ghz, if not 3.6ghz or farther.

I've heard that the Tuniq Tower 120 is the best air cooler around... but do some of your own research on that as well, because I don't have extensive experience in the cooling area.

All in all, I'd go with an E4500, a Tuniq Tower 120, and a cheap set of 800mhz DDR2.

[ru7hl355]

hey all,

im looking to get this board, well the DS3R version which im assuming is almost exactly the same. and im just wondering if i will run into any problems Overclocking my q6600 b3.

also does anyone know if i will be able to run my pc8500 ballistix @ 1066mhz easily aswell.

thanks

[Pup Trainer]

Ok, I am officially making myself ill at this point!

Originally Posted by Pup Trainer
Now i am not so sure of the system the way i was planning it SgtSpike

I have been trying my best to get up to speed and decide on what I am going to do with this build, and it seems about the only things I have decided are-The DS3L MOBO, Power Supply and Case

The new question i am asking myself is...Do I really need a QUAD CPU? Going to run a few games on this machine for myself, some SHOOTER games, and my girlfriend will be playing EVERQUEST II. Aside from that, just a bit of DVD ripping and encoding, but certainly nothing hard core that's for sure.

So....Would I be better off with a faster DUO(if so, which one...lol) over a slower QUAD(2.4GHz)? If I should re-think my cpu choice and go with a faster DUO, is it going to change your insight on my RAM questions? 800 or 1066?

quote from SgtSpike:
Well, no worries. The thing is, no one here really NEEDS a quad core. No one. There's just hardly any use for one yet. Even Crysis doesn't perform much better on a quad core than a dual core, unless at very high video settings. That said, you'll probably be somewhat more future-proofed going with a quad, but if I were you, I would wait. Unless you're just really set on getting a quad core, which it sounds like you aren't.

If I were you, I'd get a cheap dual-core, and that way you can always upgrade to a quad core later if you need it for something. Something like an E4500 ($129 at newegg), or if you want slightly better (4mb cache instead of 2mb, higher stock speed), get the E6550 ($169 at newegg). I'd recommend the E4500, as you can OC it to at least 3ghz easy, and you really don't need anything more than that for what you mentioned.

The E4500 has an 11x multiplier, which means that you'll be able to OC it as high as it'll go on dirt cheap slow ram. In that case, it doesn't matter whether you get 667, 800, or 1066 memory. The E6550, on the other hand, only has a 7x multiplier, which means that you'll need at least a decent set of 800mhz, preferrably a set of 1066mhz memory to OC it a long ways. You'd probably be able to OC the E6550 further than the E4500, just because it's a better chip, but either one will hit at least 3ghz, if not 3.6ghz or farther.

Maybe you can help me with my confusion on this....While looking around newegg, which is becoming an illness for me now i think...I was looking at an E6750(for $190) and right next to it I saw the E6700(for $320) Both at 2.66MHz and I guess the only diff is the FSB? With the 2 FSBs on those, wouldn't the 6750 be a better choice? If that is true, then what is the deal with the large price diff?

Then, here is the big question for you and anyone else who wants to jump in, and then I promise I am going to try to stop buggin you, you have been great and more than helpful!

For just a few mins, lets pretend we are in fantasy-land and all the following CPUs were right at...lets say $280.
E6850 3.0 GHz
Q6600 2.4 GHz-QUAD
E6750 2.66 GHz
E6700 2.66 GHz
E6550 2.33 GHz

Which one would you jump on? In case you say the 6850, then I need to ask the ram question again...800 or 1066?

Thanks again!!!

[SgtSpike]

Originally Posted by ru7hl355

hey all,

im looking to get this board, well the DS3R version which im assuming is almost exactly the same. and im just wondering if i will run into any problems Overclocking my q6600 b3.

also does anyone know if i will be able to run my pc8500 ballistix @ 1066mhz easily aswell.

thanks

I haven't heard of any problems running (and OCing) a Q6600 or Ballistix 1066 on this board at all, so you should be good to go!

Originally Posted by Pup Trainer

Ok, I am officially making myself ill at this point!

Maybe you can help me with my confusion on this....While looking around newegg, which is becoming an illness for me now i think...I was looking at an E6750(for $190) and right next to it I saw the E6700(for $320) Both at 2.66MHz and I guess the only diff is the FSB? With the 2 FSBs on those, wouldn't the 6750 be a better choice? If that is true, then what is the deal with the large price diff?

Then, here is the big question for you and anyone else who wants to jump in, and then I promise I am going to try to stop buggin you, you have been great and more than helpful!

For just a few mins, lets pretend we are in fantasy-land and all the following CPUs were right at...lets say $280.
E6850 3.0 GHz
Q6600 2.4 GHz-QUAD
E6750 2.66 GHz
E6700 2.66 GHz
E6550 2.33 GHz

Which one would you jump on? In case you say the 6850, then I need to ask the ram question again...800 or 1066?

Thanks again!!!

The E6700 is the processor that came out first... I believe in July of last year. The E6750 came out much more recently, I believe in July of this year. The E6750 is priced for competitiveness, and newegg tends to not drop the price on older hardware, so that's where the price difference comes from. No one in their right mind would buy an E6700 over an E6750 right now. Hope that answers your question on this.

Out of that list, I would probably grab the quad core, but that's because I know I'll be using it in the future. It won't OC as far as say, an E6850, but it'll have 4 cores, which is obviously a benefit for anything multithreaded. Since nothing that you mentioned is multithreaded, I think a dual core would do you just fine. But if you're going to spend $280 regardless, then I would still probably go with the Q6600. If not the Q6600, then the E6850, just because it's the best performer out of all of those dual cores.

Between the Q6600 and the E6850, it really depends what you want in your OC. Do you want 4 cores at 3.2-ish ghz or 2 cores at 3.8-ish ghz? And that's if you get a decent air cooler as well... on stock cooling it'd probably be 2.8ghz (quad) or 3.2ghz (dual). Personally, even though it's lower speeds, I'd go with the quad. The only reason I would go with the dual core is if I bought one of the really low end ones to bring up to high speeds and save money, or if I was trying to set some benchmark records I'd get the E6850.

The only one out of those that you'll need high speed ram for (i.e. 1066mhz) is the E6550, as it only has a 7x multiplier. Everything else has a 9x mutliplier or higher, which means that they will easily OC even with lower speed memory.

[Hephaestus]

Hey, Thanks for the help earlier, but Im back and im kind of stuck

I've tested these configs and these were the results

Clock Speed     Ram Multiplier     Result
333                 2.4            799.2 - Restarts to Bios - loops
320                 2.5            800 - Working fine at the moment
250                 3.2            800 - BSOD
333                 2.0            666 - BSOD
330                 2.0            660 - Worked fine

Clock Speed     Ram Multiplier     Ram Voltage Increase
333                 2.0            0.2v (System reverted to 200)
333                 2.0            0.3v (System reverted to 200)

What can I do to get a 1:1 ratio? I'm completely lost now. Thanks
for any help you guys can give me.