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Old 08-07-09   #5341 (permalink)
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Hey all...well I am finally stable at 4.0GHz with my UD3LR board...vcore is set pretty high though...I haven't tried LLC yet but thought I'd run these numbers by you guys...are there other settings I can mess with to get vcore down? Like the CPU and MCH refs? Up to now I've left them on "Normal"...that works much better for me than "Auto"...

Vcore 1.39375 (cpu-z 1.35)
CPU Term 1.36
MCH 1.34 (I am not stable at lower MCH)
Refs Normal
Vdimm 2.12

Thanks again for all of your help guys...
Not a bad set of #'s pdawg, especially for no LLC-Props to ya. Now that you have a stable 4.0 you can play around in the BIOS to see if you can improve on it voltage-wise. Here is something I got from supaspoon that helped me. We are going to use the refs in order to hopefully lower your voltages

In BIOS
set V-core to 1.375
set CPU TERM to 1.20
set CPU Ref to .83
set MCH ref to .80
set MCH Core to 1.30
now go back to CPU Term and set it at 1.34 ( the refs must be set with Term at 1.20. They scale up when you reset the term to the required value)

Try these settings and if you need to adjust V-core,Term and MCH core, then do so as needed

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Old 08-07-09   #5342 (permalink)
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Just passed 1HR OCCT CPU test:

423x9 (3807mhz)
Vcore: 1.55 cpu-z
Mch Core: 1.4v
PLL: 1.57v
Cpu term: 1.34v
Ram: 1057mhz 5-7-7-20 (lol @ default)
Vdimm 2.12v

Load: 68c
Idle: 36c

I want to begin ram overclocking and tightening, but should I also do a linpack OCCT to test even further? Or should I hit up the ram and start doing memtest?

I don't overclock my ram. I see no reason to test it if you are passing strest tests..

How high does ram go on this board without ruining stability? My old 750i absolutely hated high clocked ram with a quad, I had to run 800mhz to get 1500FSB.
you don't have to worry about this board not being able to handle all you can give it. Your ram will crap out before the board.

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Crashdummy is going to be so disappointed when he finds out that he has to dial his E7400 down from 10.5 to 8.5. I don't want to be the one to tell him. He thinks his runs at 10.5. What a shock he is in for

edit MOBO Matt -you are sadly mistaken. The E 7400 does have a 10.5 Multi. You may not be aware of how to set the multi in BIOS
Huh? Lol.

Ive been at 7 multi while I tinker with my chip to find the fsb wall it has at 447....

I told Wolf about having to clear the CMOS and be sure and Load Optimized Defaults>Save & Exit>Re-enter bios>begin oc'ing. I wanted him to know you have to Load Optimized Defaults when you clear CMOS. I think I may have confused him...

I just mentioned that his settings would be at 10.5 x 266 = 2.8 because that's the Optimized defaults for the E7400 and the UD3R.

Here's what I shot him:
"Even though you've maybe done it before...do it again--
#1 Clear your CMOS. Make sure they are cleared.
#2 After clearing CMOS, enter bios and Load Optimized Defaults (hit F7). <--Important.
#3 After hitting F7, Save and Exit (hit F10).
#4 Let it post and re-enter bios.

Now do this:
#1 Disable all throttling features in Advanced Features.
#2 Set your CD/ROM as first boot device, Hard Drive as second boot device, disable third boot device.
#3 Floppy Drive, set it as None. Floppy support set it as disabled. <--Peripherals I think..?
#4 System Health, disable Smart fan to make the cpu fan spin at 100%.

After clearing CMOS and loading Optimized Defaults your system should read 10.5 x 266 = 2.8GHz. Right?

#1 Now, if you are going to use LLC, enable it. Leave everything else on Auto. Go into CPU-Z and look and see what the Auto vcore for the chip is at the stock 2.8GHz. Write it down.

#2 Back in bios enter 7 x 400 = 2.8GHz. *Set the vcore in bios at about .02 maybe .03 above what you saw in CPU-Z, take the vdroop into account. Mine is pretty high at .031 even with LLC. *Set MCH to 1.20v. *Set RAM voltages and timings manually.

#3 Boot Windows and open a few programs, do a quick blend run.

#4 400 at 1.20 MCH should be easy.

#5 Now, start raising the fsb by 10 MHz at a time. And checking if you post. Or you could just dive in and try 450 x 6 = 2.7GHz. *KEEP THE RAM AS CLOSE TO STOCK AS POSSIBLE.*

You are not oc'ing here. Do you see that? You are finding your highest stable fsb. It'll come down to the chip and what it can handle. The E7400's and E8400 are light years apart. To crank the E7400 it takes work."


@ Wolfe: Especially with a new board, you have to take your time and get the understanding of the bios settings. You don't have to write down the entire MIT settings for now, just the important ones like these because you NEED to keep track of the settings you try and have a quick way to post them to ask a question:

B Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............:
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................:
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:
CPU Frequency ...........................:


Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 380

Motherboard Voltage Control
Voltage Type.………... Manual
CPU
Load-Line Calibration:
CPU Vcore….……….........................:
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......:
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......:

CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......:

CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:

MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........:
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........;
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........:
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............:
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............:




And good afternoon everyone.

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Wolfe is in good hands with crashdummy for a mentor.

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Wolfe is in good hands with crashdummy for a mentor.
I agree, Good luck Crash, and good to see ya
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Wolfe is in good hands with crashdummy for a mentor.
Lol.

I must have the lamest E7400 ever produced by Intel.... At 7.5 x 400 I can do 3.0 with 1.232v--that's less then what the board sets on Auto at 2.8 which is 1.328v. But going 7 x 430 takes a jump in vcore to 1.264 to pass 20 runs of Linx with all my RAM and be stable..? WTH is this all about?

I saw a post by almighty where he mentioned it's the chip's fsb wall that will cause trouble when wanting a higher fsb oc. Must be true becaue this chip is giving me fits trying to get beyond 450. 447 is the closest I've gotten and even then it's a bit funky.

My luck is amazingly terrible when buying computer parts

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r we like the only few regulars here now

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It's the only thing I am lucky at. If you said pick a # between 1 and 10 for $$$$ my guess would be 11.
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Lol.

I must have the lamest E7400 ever produced by Intel.... At 7.5 x 400 I can do 3.0 with 1.232v--that's less then what the board sets on Auto at 2.8 which is 1.328v. But going 7 x 430 takes a jump in vcore to 1.264 to pass 20 runs of Linx with all my RAM and be stable..? WTH is this all about?

I saw a post by almighty where he mentioned it's the chip's fsb wall that will cause trouble when wanting a higher fsb oc. Must be true becaue this chip is giving me fits trying to get beyond 450. 447 is the closest I've gotten and even then it's a bit funky.

My luck is amazingly terrible when buying computer parts
It is not your fault. You know how to overclock, you just have a stupid chip I am buying into almighty's theory about the chip's FSB wall. I posted a similar view on the Q9650 Club forum to $SpeedFreak$ just a few days ago. I was stuck at 505FSB and with great effort have surpassed that# by 3 MHz

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Another weird experience.
I set the CPU Clock Ratio to 8 and the Fine CPU Clock Ratio to .5 netting a multiplies of 8.5 as suggested.

I then booted as 2.8 and had success.
I then went back and wanted to check if I could go any higher without a fail boot...@ 2.9 it worked.
I then got greedy and went back again and set it @ 3.0, and then failed boot.

I went back to 2.9 and then go this error:

I rebooted, set @ 2.8, and here I am. Very odd. I suppose if I set it at 2.9 right now I would be fine.

Edit: sorry for the sloppy picture, I was afraid it would disappear so I was a bit hasty

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