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Default X38t-Dq6 with E5200... Just some overclocking questions...

I have a new-ish DDR3 motherboard, the Gigabyte X38T-DQ6 and 4x1GB Corsair 1600MHz 7-7-7-20 at 1.8v DDR3.

I currently have my CPU at 1.3V, 3330MHz, 1333Mhz FSB, with the RAM running at the same speed, 6-6-6-13 1.75v.

I want to push my clock higher, but my CPU wont POST at even 10.5x multi at this FSB, nor will it POST much higher than 333Mhz FSB.

I have the NB strap set to the 4.0B, which is the 333Mhz strap.

The motherboard doesnt support higher memory multipliers than 4.

I am using an Intel cooler from a P-D 950 with a copper core, heat isnt an issue.

Any recommendations?
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Installing ram in all 4 DIMMs stresses the NB more as does dropping the multi... So, have you bumped up vNB or is set to stock/auto?

If that doesn't help the CPU may have a low FSB wall, TBH I don't think I've heard of an e5200 that could hit 400FSB.

Post up some of you voltage settings: vNB, vCORE, FSB VTT (ect).

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vNB is +.1v I believe, vCORE is 1.3V right now, I don't want to go much higher. FSB VTT is normal, and I have only a +.1V or -.1V on this setting.

I realize 4 DIMMs stresses the system but I didnt know it could effect the CPU overclock, I thought it only effected DIMM clock stability (IE lowers max overclock of the DIMMs).

My Multi is 10, perhaps I'll try 12x290 or 11x300 when I get back to the office tomorrow. But wont lowering the DIMM clock make my system performance less overall?

I am trying to max out my RAM speed primarily, then the processor... I'm going for the highest 3dmark score independent of my graphics card.
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vNB is +.1v I believe, vCORE is 1.3V right now, I don't want to go much higher. FSB VTT is normal, and I have only a +.1V or -.1V on this setting.

I realize 4 DIMMs stresses the system but I didnt know it could effect the CPU overclock, I thought it only effected DIMM clock stability (IE lowers max overclock of the DIMMs).

My Multi is 10, perhaps I'll try 12x290 or 11x300 when I get back to the office tomorrow. But wont lowering the DIMM clock make my system performance less overall?

I am trying to max out my RAM speed primarily, then the processor... I'm going for the highest 3dmark score independent of my graphics card.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3184&p=7

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Northbridge Voltage (Vmch)(AKA vNB): The Memory Controller Hub (MCH), sometimes referred to as the Northbridge, is responsible for routing all I/O signals and data external to the CPU. Interfaced systems include the memory via the Front Side Bus (FSB), graphics card(s) over PCI Express, and the Southbridge using a relatively low-bandwidth DMI interface. Portions of the MCH run 1:1, 2:1 and even 4:1 with the Front Side Bus (FSB) meaning that just like CPU overclocking, raising the FSB places an increased demand on the MCH silicon.


Sustained MCH voltages in excess of about 1.7V (for X38) will surely cause early motherboard failures. Because Intel uses 90nm process technology for X38, we find that voltages higher than those applied to 65/45nm CPUs are generally fine. During the course of our X38 testing we found the chipset able to drive two DIMM banks (2x1GB) at 400MHz FSB at default voltage (1.25V) while four banks (4x1GB) required a rather substantial increase to 1.45V. Besides FSB and DIMM bank population levels, a couple of other settings which significantly influence minimum required MCH voltages are Static Read Control Delay (tRD) - often called Performance Level - Command Rate selection (1N versus 2N), and the use of non-integer FSBIMM clocking ratios. Our recommendation is to keep this value below about 1.6V when finding your maximum overclock.
As mentioned above there are a lot of factors that come into play, but populating all 4 DIMMs is a big one.

Ram speed has a relatively low ROO(trying to make my own acroynm here, think ROI - return on Investment; ROO - Return on Overclock). Raw CPU speed, especially where FSB has been pushed higher, always pays with the biggest gains.

IFF you were stable @ 333FSB x10 then it's probably not a lack of voltage to the NB, however it's best to isolate any potential variables(aka increased stress via 4 dimms) another thing to consider might be loosening memory timings(again - variable). So keeping the voltage settings you've used thus far try ->

1)333FSB x10 = 3.33ghz @ 1.3V 1333Mhz 6-6-6-13 1.75v. stable.

2)310FSB x11 = 3.41ghz @ 1.3V 1240Mhz 7-7-7-20 1.75v. stable?

3)320FSB x11 = 3.52ghz @ 1.3V 1280Mhz 7-7-7-20 1.75v. stable?

Option 1 represents what you currently have your CPU at(or had). Considering the memory clock is lowered, FSB is lowered and timings are loosened if both 2+3 prove unstable then your at a CPU freq. "wall" and only more Vcore will breach it. However, if both prove stable 333FSB(x10) would either represent a FSB wall that could be broken by adding more Vmch(Vnb) or 333FSB @ 1:2 ratio with those timings(6-6-6-13; especially if PL is really tight) and 4 DIMMs might be what caused a no go with 333+FSB.

Anyway try some different settings and report back if you need any more help or further confusion as the case may be... Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I had completely forgotten.

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Youre better off loosening Ram timings untill youve maxed the CPU. Then go back to them.

Like the link says, MCH V increase is probably the only way youre going to stretch your ram capability.
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