Everrdi

I know that the linux user are probably tired of hearing this but I need some more convincing. I just put together a basic system (Pentium D 2.8Ghz, 2Gb Ram, 80 Gb HD, CD rom, ECS Mobo) like is said, just basic nothing fancy. Should have been a no brainer for any OS to install onto. While 5 HOURS later, I still was not successful at getting Ubuntu 8.04.1 installed, everytime it would get to about 76% and then die with an [Errno 5] error stating some garbage about a dirty cd, or drive, etc. After multiple attempts, changing the cd drive, the harddrive, reburning the cd, I still had no success. Let also state that I was trying to install the 64bit version because I wanted to set this unit up for Linux SMP Folding client. As a test, the 32bit version installed without a hitch. The only way that I was able to get the 64bit version installed was to created a bootable USB install thumb drive, this installed without a problem, in about 10 minutes no less. I created the bootable thumb drive from the exact same ISO that I created the CD's from. I don't get it....
Anyway, on to the next issue, I did manage to get the SMP client running without any problems, mostly due to the great procedures here at OCN. But trying to install a temp monitoring app is a real pain. My main complaint is the it seems that everything needs to be done in a terminal window, why can't they just have apps install the same way that just about every other OS since the creation of windows based computers does. Run an install, pick the location, and up pops an icon, whether it be on the desktop for in the file menu.
It took me the better part of 2 hours to get gkrellm running on my system. First you have to install lm_sensors, then you have to run sensor_detect, then you have to do this and do that, all from a terminal window no less. I got it running but it closes as soon as I close the terminal window that I used to launch it. Man........................whew...........
Sorry, it know that it sounds like I'm venting, maybe in someways I am, but this whole process, I could have done in about an 1 hour under windows. An I don't think that gkrellm is working right because it is showing me 12v as around 5v.........hmmm......how long is it going to take me to figure out how to get that set correctly.
I am in no way a novice when it comes to computers, I have been around since the DOS days and have tried just about every OS since then (Yes, even OS2), but I was working in a Terminal window so much I was having flashbacks to DOS 6.0! They REALLY need to work on the application install process for Linux, they need to move into the present instead of living in the Terminal past!
The one thing that I do like so far is that I am running remote desktop on the Ubuntu machine and running VNCViewer on my Vista system to manage it. I have the system tucked away under my desk with no monitor, keyboard, or mouse. Just wish that I could figure out a way to load the remote desktop as a service so I didn't have to hook up a keyboard to log the system in in the event of a restart/reboot.
I really look forward to the responses on this thread. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

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aleiro

People on this forum should not have to convince you of anything, its linux not windows and definitely not mac. Its a different os and you will have to learn how to use it. Its open source so study up.

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markatto

Honestly, it's either your thing or it's not. If you don't want to deal with lots of little things needing attention all the time, then linux probably isn't for you. Personally, I love it, but I can certainly see how some people would just get frustrated. It took me a few tries before i actually made the permanent switch.

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Everrdi

Don't get me wrong, there are things about Linux that I like, the main thing is FREE. But it just seems that things should be easier. You shouldn't have to do all the stuff that is required to get things to work correctly. I don't understand why someone would "Want" to do that, there are similar things that are needed to be done in the windows world but they are as difficult to do, that is what I trying to say. Can't they come up with an installer that would automatically prompt you for the prerequisite items/settings, etc? Why can't the software install the icon for you, I still haven't figured out how to create an icon so that I can launch gkrellm without having to open a terminal.
Once it's running, it's great! I like the look, etc. but it could and should be easier when it comes to software installation. That's my only gripe!

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Everrdi

Bump

Markatto, do you actually like having to do all that "stuff" just to get things working?

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WillFlexforFoood

Can pentium Ds run 64 bit software? That might be your problem right there man... especially if 32bit installed without a hitch like you said.

The Hundred Gunner

Bingo.

Use it because you want to, not because someone "convinced" you.

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VCheeZ

I have attempted linux many times....I have decided that I will need either a dedicated linux box, or better yet, a distro that is more CheeZ-friendly.

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thiussat

It's not that difficult, especially if you use something like Ubuntu.

As for Gkrellm -- I use it all the time and have used it on many distros. When I have installed it there has always been a menu icon. Ubuntu should automatically install the icon (probably in the Gnome menu).

As for installation, make sure you have a good CD. Be sure to burn it at the slowest speed possible to ensure that the probability for errors is low. You will also want to verify the burn (Most Windows burning progs will do this).

Also make sure there is no conflict with Pentium D and 64 bit. You will want to check Ubuntu's hardware compatibility chart to see if Pentium D would be better suited for 32 bit. I assume it will work with 64 bit, however.

Wireless connections still give problems in Linux due to the wide variety of wireless routers and chipsets out there. Most of the drivers have been reverse engineered as the manufacturers don't provide Linux drivers in most cases. However, most of the wireless routers will work just fine with ndiswrapper. If you use a wired connection, Ubuntu should automatically detect it upon install and you shouldn't have to do anything at all.

Is your wired connection USB or ethernet? If it is ethernet, you should have absolutely no issues. I am not sure about USB, but I suspect they should be easy enough to configure, assuming it isn't automatically configured.

I have a wired ethernet connection via a cable modem routed through a Linksys WRT54GL, and I have not had any issues whatsoever with any of the dozen or so distros I have tried. It is always automatically detected upon install.

RSXHiTMAN

welcome to the world of linux, where a simple driver and task install can take up the same amount of time to format and install windows, after being spoiled with windows going to linux is entering another world

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