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Old 05-07-09   #11 (permalink)
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http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5

Not gaming related but there are benchmarks that show Firefox running in WINE is faster than native Linux firefox. This shows that WINE is not a speed impediment for apps. Remember, WINE is not a Windows emulator, it is an application layer -- essentially a stripped down version of Windows, which may explain some of the performance differences.
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Glad to know a post that took 2-3 hours to pull together with graphics and step-by-step instructions is considered spam.
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I will admit it looks similar to some of the DVD ripper, video encoder, etc. ads we get here (except for the whole free/Linuz/WINE part...).
He's right. We get a lot of spam "how to's" with the same format. If you are legit then my apologies.
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Nice guide. I didn't know you could run steam in Linux that is pretty sweet.
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Pushing users away from ATI will only make the situation worse. Most 3D open source games and applications like Wine (and even Compiz), are developed around nvidia drivers and hardware. This is mostly out of necessity (good ATI drivers are a rather new thing) and out of greater availability of nvidia class hardware (due to a bigger user base). If people keep avoiding ATI, compatibility with their drivers and cards will continue to be low.
This "nvidia only" mentality can also retard the acceptance and use of open source drivers for gaming. The nvidia binary is very intrusive, so something that is designed to work with it will not always work with other "Linux compliant" drivers.
ATI cards work fine. Windows games that have Linux clients work with no problems. So do most open source games, except the ones that make specific calls to the nvidia driver for functionality (in this case they either exhibit some glitches or run slow).
The best way to resolve this situation is by using ATI cards or switching to open source drivers. Users should then get involved with their favorite games and start demanding greater compatibility with other drivers. Remember that Linux is mostly user driven, so if users keep with their nvidia affair developers will simply keep the status quo.

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No offense, but...

He's right. We get a lot of spam "how to's" with the same format. If you are legit then my apologies.
I think at this point it's pretty clear to everyone that I am. The information is legit, the screen shots are from my desktop, the information is well established.

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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=681&num=2
http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5

Not gaming related but there are benchmarks that show Firefox running in WINE is faster than native Linux firefox. This shows that WINE is not a speed impediment for apps. Remember, WINE is not a Windows emulator, it is an application layer -- essentially a stripped down version of Windows, which may explain some of the performance differences.
I'm not sure I'd be apt to agree with you in such sweeping terms. BUT In general Wine is beginning to see it's performance exceed that of Windows in certain synthetic benchmarks. And I would cite that same 0.9.5 benchmark as well.

Additionally the graph below gives us an idea of the ever growing support Wine has.

Progress in application compatibility according to test results from Wine AppDB.
Brown (Bottom) being the Garbage apps that will not run at all all the way up to Platinum (top) Working out of the box with no tweaks or configuration. Platinum Apps essentially run as good if not better than Windows XP on identical hardware.

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This is cool and all and I'm bookmarking this page for my next endevour.

But Windows gaming is much easier. Until Linux has installers for videogames, that won't change
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This is cool and all and I'm bookmarking this page for my next endevour.

But Windows gaming is much easier. Until Linux has installers for videogames, that won't change
Ya, good point. Another way to do it is just dual boot windows and linux. Windows for games, and everything else do linux. Run virtual linux on windows is a thought as well, but that would be sacrilege to a core linux user.
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Ya, good point. Another way to do it is just dual boot windows and linux. Windows for games, and everything else do linux. Run virtual linux on windows is a thought as well, but that would be sacrilege to a core linux user.
Actually when I had only my underpowered non-gaming laptop I ran Win XP in a horrifically stripped down way that can ONLY play games. No web browsing, no nothing. But then ran a Ubuntu VM with all the trimmings 24/7 in the background. Worked well and prepared me for my pure Linux build I have now.

At this point though I have to say that I'm happy im not dual booting anymore. It's nice to have it all in one solid place. The challenge of making games bend to my will in Linux has made me a better computer enthusiast, and has bettered my career as a Linux Sys Admin. Not to mention make me appreciate my games that much more.

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I agree, dual booting is a pain, especially if you run a system where you test OC's a lot and you want quick booting. I've been looking into linux benchmarking programs lately. Stripping the windows crap out is starting to look better and better, especially with Vista. I started out hating Vista, then loving it, now I'm hating it again. A guy I work with turned me on to the Phoronix site which is pretty cool.
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