Originally Posted by mushroomboy;12659016
A lot of places only ship VI, as it's all you really "need". The other text editors are considered extra, think frosting on the cake.
take a deep breath count to 10, as i'm about to reveal another shocker, it doesn't come with sudo either...
fedora is meant for the more "experienced" user, and nano is often considered a noobuntuser editor, so they discriminate by only including the hair pulling VI
Originally Posted by mdatmo;12659160
Am I the only person who prefers VI over nano?
Edit: Its probably because when I started in Linux VI was what everyone used.
if you started with VI and grew with it as it grew...then yes you wont see any problem with it, but starting out with the monster that is VI now...its a whole lot confusing
i use it still, but more and more, nano is winning me over with its stupid simplicity.
Originally Posted by transhour;12659245
isn't vim the forked "VI Improved"? the one that attempted to make VI easier to use, but that got forked into nano? i get them always confused
view is in Debian, and probably in all .deb based distros, and is another "improved" VI. I like view, it has.... Well I dunno the differences, I just like it. =P
My Fedora 14 install tells me that I have nano installed from the installation DVD. So my guess is you either didn't select it at install time, or you installed from Live CD which has a more restricted package set.
Pico is non-free software and thus can't be included in distros like Fedora and Debian.
My Fedora 14 install tells me that I have nano installed from the installation DVD. So my guess is you either didn't select it at install time, or you installed from Live CD which has a more restricted package set.
Pico is non-free software and thus can't be included in distros like Fedora and Debian.
vi is just more difficult than nano... difficulty doesnt always mean its better
nano is wonderful in how easy it is to use
vi, if youve never used it before... you have to consult a man page just to know how to use it... nano is simple enough you never have to even look at the man page
vi is older, and much more light weight... but REALLY do you need to save a couple kilobytes of ram? no... nano is much more user friendly
vi is just more difficult than nano... difficulty doesnt always mean its better
nano is wonderful in how easy it is to use
vi, if youve never used it before... you have to consult a man page just to know how to use it... nano is simple enough you never have to even look at the man page
vi is older, and much more light weight... but REALLY do you need to save a couple kilobytes of ram? no... nano is much more user friendly
Once you learn a few commands in vim you can navigate your way around a text file soooooo much faster than with nano. It's definitely a more complicated tool however it has a great deal more functionality. For smaller projects and files you may not see that value in using a more powerful editor however for larger projects its a necessity. Oh... and this is all in reference to programming (obviously)
Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
Originally Posted by mushroomboy;12664131
Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
Yeah, that's fail too. I know that "su -c" does the same thing, but sudo is part of Linux imo, so much so that it should be including as a builtin in Bash. I guess you could symlink "sudo" to "su -c" though?
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Originally Posted by mushroomboy;12664131
Really? Just ZZ caps? Or just the button ZZ: Esc, ZZ? Dang, VI just got way better if that's the case. I despise Ctrl + Anything, just because using CTRL is a pain in the arse when I'm working on... Well when I'm working on anything! It's nice for gui stuff that doesn't need the mouse, but in CLI I find it rather annoying.
I actually like Ctrl, it makes the action more delibrate. Typos are easy to do, especially in vi with the mode selector (VERY easy to be in the wrong mode, and why a lot of people, myself included, can't stand vi)
Originally Posted by chemicalfan;12666505
Yeah, that's fail too. I know that "su -c" does the same thing, but sudo is part of Linux imo, so much so that it should be including as a builtin in Bash. I guess you could symlink "sudo" to "su -c" though?
su and sudo are different tools with different security models. Don't confuse the two.
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