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Old 06-30-09   #11 (permalink)
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What are you going to be using the monitor for?
Graphic design?
gaming?
general computing?
If you answered yes to anything but graphic design a TN panel should be just fine for you.
I would also recommend that you buy a samsung monitor, everyone who has owned one will say the same.
Mostly gaming and so called "general computing" which includes surfing, chatting, coding and all that without requiring anything special. Graphics & videoediting also however very rarely and nothing professional, just hobby stuff.

I am considering the Dell2209WA... it has a low inputlag (less than a frame, according to Digitalversus while prad.en says something different and reviews from users says from 0ms to 10ms)

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TN panels have one advantage over other LCD technologies:
response times.

If you want to game, get a TN. If you don't, then you can look at other technologies, such as IPS, and make a decision from there.
I am considering the Dell2209WA... it has a low inputlag (less than a frame, according to Digitalversus while prad.en says something different and reviews from users says from 0ms to 10ms)

What do you think about that? A lot of TN's have higher response time. I have played with a Sony 19" 8ms and it was very flawless, this one has 6ms and I won't notice anything I am sure (It's ISP panel) but the only thing is it has a bit high input lag.

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Yup, I still notice a little bit of ghosting on my monitor for gaming, but it's definitely more acceptable than the ghosting I've seen in old laptops.

As for the color skewing as you move your head, it's there, but not very noticeable (again, this is for my monitor, other ones might have it worse). I still think people grossly over exaggerate though when they talk about sitting dead center in front of their LCD and can see color shifting on the left and right sides of their monitor unless they got a really bad monitor.

I can see how it might be a problem though for people who need to do graphics design where color accuracy is extremely important.
I wish I had a good store (local one) who had monitors that I could see. Thanks for your input
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But I don't have a TN panel monitor right now, I am just on a laptop and it's a small screen so no matter when I lean back or not it's still the same image and everything.
Try putting the laptop on something so the top image is a bit above your head, and the bottom image starts at about chin level. You should see a difference even without leaning back in your chair.

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I am considering the Dell2209WA... it has a low inputlag (less than a frame, according to Digitalversus while prad.en says something different and reviews from users says from 0ms to 10ms)
Check out my monitor in this review: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mon...2inch-2_8.html
It has a very low amount of RTC artifacts (1.3%), and with the correct settings, is pretty accurate.

Check the two pages after the one I linked - they're the ones with the comprehensive info about it. You'll also want to check the rest of the monitors in this review and 22" Monitor Roundup Part 1 to see more monitors. This is the most comprehensive and informative review I could find.

As for response time, it's very easy to have a response time lower than 1 frame. For a 60Hz monitor, 1 frame is 1/60*1000 = 16.3ms. The response times listed for monitors are always gray-to-gray (GtG), though, and the response time between colors is much higher. You *will* see ghosting with every monitor.

Ghosting on low response time monitors is not apparent in games though. You usually see it in smooth pans (like if you were walking in a straight line in a MMO, at 60 fps), or in a smooth pan in a video, or when moving your mouse quickly, though most people don't realize these things are ghosting because it looks normal. CRT TVs experience similar phenomena when it comes to smoothly, quickly panning video - it looks nearly the same, so it doesn't "register" as ghosting for most people.
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its not a problem, that's the nature of TN panels. People tend to exaggerate the color shifting. But really if you don't do graphic design then it doesn't really matter.

consider samsung monitors. afaik all their 24" and above are non TN
Oh it definitely is a problem. Especially if you're trying to watch movies with other people, the color shifting from side to side, and the inverted colors looking up from a downward position make for a very horrible movie experience. Also, pretty much every current Samsung 24" monitor in production now IS a TN panel. All those Touch of Colors and Rose editions are all TN panels.

Sadly, you'll probably have better luck finding more non-TN panels in Europe.

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TN panels have one advantage over other LCD technologies:
response times.

If you want to game, get a TN. If you don't, then you can look at other technologies, such as IPS, and make a decision from there.
That has changed over the last few years, especially with regards to IPS panels. They have improved dramatically to the point where the input lag is very similar to TN based panels. In terms of ghosting, almost no current monitor has these sorts of problems anymore. However, going back to input lag, it depends on the total build as there are TN panels that also have severe input lag.

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I am considering the Dell2209WA
A very good choice, especially if you don't need 1080 or higher resolutions. Out of all the possible 22" monitors I feel this has got to be one of the best ones in terms of overall input lag and color reproduction. Gaming has been reported to be excellent on it as is movie watching. Thus, for all your other usages this monitor should provide a great experience for you.

Be on the lookout for sales and coupons as Dell frequently puts them out for this particular monitor. Many people on Slickdeals and Hard Forum have reported being able to get this monitor for around the $200 mark or slightly less, brand new. Some people even stalk the Dell Outlet site for when Dell puts up open box or refurb stock of this monitor for around $150.
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Thank you very much for your replies. I don't know how else to thank, but thank you! Great help
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