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grahamcrackuh · 07-02-09

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Originally Posted by kilrbe3

How is this ridiculous? 55nm runs cooler, and has the potential to OC higher than its older brother 65nm. Never said "BUY THE BEST, CUZ ITS THE BEST" I had a 295, hated it, best is never better.

It does not have the potential to OC higher really. When they started releasing the gtx 275s they took away the programmable voltage regulators along with changing the heatsink to a model that's not quite as good. Ultimately, you may have 1 or 2 % more headroom on the 275, but nothing that will allow it to pull ahead in applications where it comes down to needing the extra 200 mb of memory. Like I said, we're talking playable vs. playable, wheras in applications on high resolutions with AA and the 200mb comes into effect, the 280 could be the difference between playable and not.

I ALREADY CONCEDED THAT THE 275 WILL PROBABLY PERFORM BETTER FOR NOW (HIGHER FRAMERATES, THOUGH GAMES WILL NOT BE MORE PLAYABLE). IN FUTURE APLICATIONS OR HIGH RES APPLICATIONS, THE 280S EXTRA VRAM COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAYABLE AND NOT.

Rayce185 · 07-02-09

http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do...56_1&id=1476_1

I'm glad I ordered 275's. Maybe I'll get at third, depending on Crysis

brettjv · 07-02-09

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Originally Posted by kilrbe3

http://www.futurelooks.com/zotac-gef...card-review/3/

There,

And you been here long enough to understand how these threads work as well. Your 295 is nothing more than 275's strapped, OC SLi 275 can beat that 295 (stock that is)

@Zig-Zag.. I wouldn't suggest that

Hey B, I'z never even talking about my 295, nor does my comment have anything to do w/naivete about 'how these threads work'. I wanted to see if anyone could come up w/proof that one of these cards was ACTUALLY BETTER than the other two .. which to me means an increase in terms of maximum playable settings.

Nobody has so far come up w/any sort of proof that the gaming experience is different between the 275/280/285 in terms of maximum playable settings.

Unless someone does, it will continue to be my take that the best card among these three is the one that is cheapest ... especially if you're talking about a single card.

In SLI or tri-SLI, I would rather have the 280's than the 275's any day if they're the same cost or lower ... Even though, in effect, that is what I have right now, and I do like it a lot ... but part of why I like it is because it's half the size of two cards being in my case.

And the 275 uses slightly less power at idle than a 280, but on load, uses just as much. Like someone else pointed out above ... 55nm doesn't = less power consumption in and of itself.

And BTW, the difference between 275's and a 295 is tiny when they are at the same clocks. Hell, even SLI285's at the same clocks only beats my 295 by 3-4% on Vantage High ...

FSF-Foxhound · 07-02-09

I love the 275, i would get it. 280's faster though, especially if you Voltmod it.

Conley · 07-03-09

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Originally Posted by brettjv

Hey B, I'z never even talking about my 295, nor does my comment have anything to do w/naivete about 'how these threads work'. I wanted to see if anyone could come up w/proof that one of these cards was ACTUALLY BETTER than the other two .. which to me means an increase in terms of maximum playable settings.

Nobody has so far come up w/any sort of proof that the gaming experience is different between the 275/280/285 in terms of maximum playable settings.

Unless someone does, it will continue to be my take that the best card among these three is the one that is cheapest ... especially if you're talking about a single card.

In SLI or tri-SLI, I would rather have the 280's than the 275's any day if they're the same cost or lower ... Even though, in effect, that is what I have right now, and I do like it a lot ... but part of why I like it is because it's half the size of two cards being in my case.

And the 275 uses slightly less power at idle than a 280, but on load, uses just as much. Like someone else pointed out above ... 55nm doesn't = less power consumption in and of itself.

And BTW, the difference between 275's and a 295 is tiny when they are at the same clocks. Hell, even SLI285's at the same clocks only beats my 295 by 3-4% on Vantage High ...

I'm not sure what your problem is, but it's getting annoying. We've shown benchmarks that the GTX 275 will offer better performance for a lower price (I was just kidding about how the threads work to lighten the mood). If you think the cheapest is automatically the best, why are you arguing that he should get the GTX 280?

By the way you, in effect, have two GTX 275, not two GTX 280. If you don't even know what your own card is, that makes me wonder how much you know about other cards...

Vantage high is a synthetic. GTX 285 in SLI will outperform your GTX 295 in games by a fair margin.

TheBlademaster01 · 07-03-09

Is it just me or is the GTX295 not exactly GTX275 SLI

. The GTX295 has the clocks of the GTX260 and the shaders of the 275/280/285.

Jaypricemann · 07-03-09

If I'm not mistaken, the 280 is an older card than the 275? Who's the manufacturer on the cards? Is it Core 190 or Core 216? Info please.

kilrbe3 · 07-03-09

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Originally Posted by Jaypricemann

If I'm not mistaken, the 280 is an older card than the 275? Who's the manufacturer on the cards? Is it Core 190 or Core 216? Info please.

Yes, the 280 is older than the 275. They are no longer made.

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Originally Posted by TheBlademaster01

Is it just me or is the GTX295 not exactly GTX275 SLI

. The GTX295 has the clocks of the GTX260 and the shaders of the 275/280/285.

No, the 295 is (2) GTX 275 slapped together. I have owned both a 295 and a 275, as I've not SLi a 275, From the results of a single 275, and predict results of SLi, it be dam close to a 295 score I got in Vantage. Plus, for the fact that 295 don't like to be OC as highly, I'm sure you can beat a 295 with a pair of golden 275's.

brettjv · 07-03-09

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Originally Posted by Conley

I'm not sure what your problem is, but it's getting annoying. We've shown benchmarks that the GTX 275 will offer better performance for a lower price (I was just kidding about how the threads work to lighten the mood). If you think the cheapest is automatically the best, why are you arguing that he should get the GTX 280?

By the way you, in effect, have two GTX 275, not two GTX 280. If you don't even know what your own card is, that makes me wonder how much you know about other cards...

Vantage high is a synthetic. GTX 285 in SLI will outperform your GTX 295 in games by a fair margin.

I'm not sure what YOUR problem is, because NOWHERE did I say that I thought my card is 2xGTX280's. Perhaps you need a little work on your reading comprehension skills, my friend.

I had looked at all these benchmarks long before they were posted on this thread. I don't come on here talking about things that I don't already know all about, that I haven't researched. It's not my thing ...

My point is that the GAMING EXPERIENCE IS NOT DIFFERENT on any of these cards. 47fps vs 49fps, who gives a CRAP, seriously? I know I don't, and I'm pretty into this s**t ... have been for over 10 years, actually.

I challenged anyone to come up w/proof that the PLAYABLE SETTINGS are different on any of these three cards (when run in single-card config).

No-one has yet done so.

If the gameplay experience is identical, then the best deal is the one that's cheapest. That is my OPINION, one which I consistently expressed starting w/my very first post on this thread, and I'm sticking to it.

The only real SUGGESTION I ever made on this thread about what to buy was to say that I think the 280's make more sense if you're gonna go SLI or Tri-SLI, due to the addt'l vram amount involved (+ the extra ROP's).

Go back and read this whole thread, and tell me where I EVER 'argued for choosing a (single) GTX280' over a single GTX275. You will find I didn't do so. I said get what's cheapest. If that means the 275, then THAT is what I'm 'arguing for'.

And given that, as you claim, "GTX 285 in SLI will outperform your GTX 295 in games by a fair margin" it would stand to reason that you agree with my assertion about what to buy if you're going to go SLI, since SLI275's (at the same clocks) are practically identical to a 295, and the 280 is architecturally the exact same card as the 285 other than the fab process.

And btw, I've owned and benched SLI280's before, in this very rig. The difference, when in the realm of playable settings (i.e. 30fps ave or more with EITHER setup) and at the same clocks, is between 3% and 13%, with an average difference of around 8% in favor of SLI280's. Is that a 'fair amount'? I'm sure it could be argued either way ...

But I must say I never stumbled upon a case where a game played at a given set of settings were playable on one setup and not the other, to be honest. I'm only guessing that it's probably possible for that happen in rare instances, hence I'm inclined to favor 280's if going SLI, all else being equal or close to equal.

And I must say, what I find annoying is you not only INACCURATELY putting words into my mouth Conley, but also going to on to imply that (your distortions of) my opinion are not appreciated here. You gotta lotta frickin nerve dude. Seriously.

Perhaps you'll take a moment to visit my quad-sli thread, and observe how I'm willing to spend 8+ hours constructing a single friggin post for everyone's benefit on this site (not even close to the first time I've done so, either) and think twice next time about who you wanna pop off at.

scottb75 · 07-03-09

I may be biased a bit but I vote GTX 280. The extra memory, bandwidth from the 512-bit bus, and extra ROPs does help in the more stressful games. Plus, if you have good cooling and airflow you can get some darn decent overclocks out of it. Most people I've seen have at least been able to get to stock GTX 285 clock speeds with a GTX 280.

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