Originally Posted by brettjv

I'm not sure what YOUR problem is, because NOWHERE did I say that I thought my card is 2xGTX280's. Perhaps you need a little work on your reading comprehension skills, my friend.

I had looked at all these benchmarks long before they were posted on this thread. I don't come on here talking about things that I don't already know all about, that I haven't researched. It's not my thing ...

My point is that the GAMING EXPERIENCE IS NOT DIFFERENT on any of these cards. 47fps vs 49fps, who gives a CRAP, seriously? I know I don't, and I'm pretty into this s**t ... have been for over 10 years, actually.

I challenged anyone to come up w/proof that the PLAYABLE SETTINGS are different on any of these three cards (when run in single-card config).

No-one has yet done so.

If the gameplay experience is identical, then the best deal is the one that's cheapest. That is my OPINION, one which I consistently expressed starting w/my very first post on this thread, and I'm sticking to it.

The only real SUGGESTION I ever made on this thread about what to buy was to say that I think the 280's make more sense if you're gonna go SLI or Tri-SLI, due to the addt'l vram amount involved (+ the extra ROP's).

Go back and read this whole thread, and tell me where I EVER 'argued for choosing a (single) GTX280' over a single GTX275. You will find I didn't do so. I said get what's cheapest. If that means the 275, then THAT is what I'm 'arguing for'.

And given that, as you claim, "GTX 285 in SLI will outperform your GTX 295 in games by a fair margin" it would stand to reason that you agree with my assertion about what to buy if you're going to go SLI, since SLI275's (at the same clocks) are practically identical to a 295, and the 280 is architecturally the exact same card as the 285 other than the fab process.

And btw, I've owned and benched SLI280's before, in this very rig. The difference, when in the realm of playable settings (i.e. 30fps ave or more with EITHER setup) and at the same clocks, is between 3% and 13%, with an average difference of around 8% in favor of SLI280's. Is that a 'fair amount'? I'm sure it could be argued either way ...

But I must say I never stumbled upon a case where a game played at a given set of settings were playable on one setup and not the other, to be honest. I'm only guessing that it's probably possible for that happen in rare instances, hence I'm inclined to favor 280's if going SLI, all else being equal or close to equal.

And I must say, what I find annoying is you not only INACCURATELY putting words into my mouth Conley, but also going to on to imply that (your distortions of) my opinion are not appreciated here. You gotta lotta frickin nerve dude. Seriously.

Perhaps you'll take a moment to visit my quad-sli thread, and observe how I'm willing to spend 8+ hours constructing a single friggin post for everyone's benefit on this site (not even close to the first time I've done so, either) and think twice next time about who you wanna pop off at.

Originally Posted by Conley

I'm not going to read your whole tirade, but they way you worded your last post, it looked like you were saying that you had two GTX 280's. Perhaps you should look into a writing class before insulting other's reading comprehension.

Near 10% is a fair amount, in my eyes, but that's a relative term. GTX 285's will overclock further than GTX 280's either way.

I never put words in your mouth. I interpreted the way you said them wrong, due to bad writing.

I just don't understand why you have to get mad at everyone one when they're suggesting the same card you are.

I like getting the most for my money. If I can get those extra two frames, that shows me that the card will be that much stronger for the more demanding games that come out, and it could be the difference between 22 and 24 fps in the next demanding game.

According to benchmarks, the GTX 275 does better, and that's really all there is to it. The only time I'd get a GTX 280 over a GTX 275 is if I was running at a high resolution, or with 16xAA.

I'm done arguing with you.

Originally Posted by Conley

I'm not going to read your whole tirade, but they way you worded your last post, it looked like you were saying that you had two GTX 280's. Perhaps you should look into a writing class before insulting other's reading comprehension.

I just don't understand why you have to get mad at everyone one when they're suggesting the same card you are.

I'm done arguing with you.

Originally Posted by bcooper56

really i don't think overclocking will be worth the risk for me i rather play it safe and upgrade my graphics card every year and cpu instead of overclocking.

Originally Posted by Artas1984

Indeed, because half of OCN are half-whits like you, and this thread just prooves it.

Originally Posted by brettjv

I never got mad at anybody ... except you.

How do you reach the conclusion from this:

"In SLI or tri-SLI, I would rather have the 280's than the 275's any day if they're the same cost or lower ... Even though, in effect, that is what I have right now, and I do like it a lot"

that I (wrongly) believe my setup is 2xGTX280's?

Why would I use the phrase 'even though' in this context if I thought I had 280's, which I was saying I'd prefer?

Your interpretation is especially nonsensical given how long I've been around here and how many times I know you've seen my posts cause you've commented on them many times. You already know I'm not some boneheaded noob, Conley.

And to take it a step further and imply that my knowledge level about graphics cards is in question, when the LOGICAL interpretation was to conclude that I DO know what I have, as opposed to not knowing?

I'm sorry, but you were the one dishing out insults first here my friend.

Originally Posted by bcooper56

really i don't think overclocking will be worth the risk for me i rather play it safe and upgrade my graphics card every year and cpu instead of overclocking.

Originally Posted by Artas1984

Indeed, because half of OCN are half-whits like you, and this thread just prooves it.

Originally Posted by bcooper56

really i don't think overclocking will be worth the risk for me i rather play it safe and upgrade my graphics card every year and cpu instead of overclocking.

Originally Posted by Artas1984

Indeed, because half of OCN are half-whits like you, and this thread just prooves it.

Originally Posted by Mrzev

K back to the Topic... I bought the 275. I looked at the scores here and there they seem to show even. I dont like OCin my Graphics Card anyways. 20$ cheaper it seems nice. Even if its 5% worse... its still 10% cheaper.

IM not comfortable with buying discontinued hardware anyways.

Originally Posted by Mrzev

K back to the Topic... I bought the 275. I looked at the scores here and there they seem to show even. I dont like OCin my Graphics Card anyways. 20$ cheaper it seems nice. Even if its 5% worse... its still 10% cheaper.

IM not comfortable with buying discontinued hardware anyways.