enorbet2

I may have mentioned this before and if so please forgive me. Pollen has me on antihistamine which makes me feel like Charly at the end of "Flowers of Algernon". Anyway here is a good article with some cool tricks for Konqueror and an opportunity to register to get Linux Magazine in your email.

http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7320/1.html

Enjoy
Jimmy

Acreo Aeneas

I find it funny that the OP post is aimed at those using Windows and Linux, but fail to include Mac OS in the mix as well. I feel Mac users would be hardest to get to use Linux (or at least convert).

I happen to fall into the second category: Likes Linux and runs it. Though, I've gotten into a few heated debates with other Windows users and Mac users over trying out/using a Linux OS (mostly Ubuntu). Most of them unfortunately try it out once or twice and then go right back to Windows or Mac OS(X).

I'm considering trying out DSL on my old server-desktop rig upstairs and maybe go through Fedora 11 too just to see how different it is from when I last used it (Fedora 4).

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I partially agree with you. Mac users these days are either pretentious about it, or they love it for art/graphic design/video editing or programming. The latter I don't mind, they're actually using it for a reason, but the former are either fanboys or just ignorant about why Macs aren't superior. Most of them are simply buying a laptop because it has an apple on it. It's strange how a company which has this hippy/idealist image has become more closed and proprietary than M$ has. Not to say that M$ isn't any less underhanded in that department, just look back on this whole OOXML debacle. Probably because of Jobs' not being such an influence anymore, but Mac is slowly edging out M$ and SCO in the realm of software evil, and Rambus in the realm of hardware.

On the other hand, Windows users are either happy with it and don't care to change, don't even know there are alternatives, or die-hard fanboys who won't listen to reason. That last group are the ones who like to argue that Windows is actually more secure than open source OSs. Nothing to do but walk away, no converting there.
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But I digress...lol
My original point was to say if FC4 was your last trial you will really love F10 or 11 (official release is later this month). So much more hardware works "out of box" and it's so much easier to configure things. I really struggled with FC5 to get my wireless working on my laptop with ndiswrapper but it worked with F9 automatically.
Plus I think it was with 8 that they added the eye-candy. I love 10. I think you'll like it. Check out my sig for post-install guides. Install emerald, compiz-fusion, gnome-compiz-manager, etc. for the extra eye-candy. You'll need rpm-fusion and livna repos for that I believe.

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I agree. Linux is superior to OS X in just about every way (outside of perhaps video editing stuff). And Linux can run on standard PC hardware, something OS X can only do with a hacked version (Hackintosh). This is a huge advantage for the user that doesn't want to shell out 2 grand for a computer with slower hardware than can be had at half the price if buying PC hardware.

Both Linux and OS X are based on UNIX, so they both operate similarly at the shell level. But I would say Linux is more secure because OS X is lacking in ASLR and other memory protection mechanisms that both Linux and (gasp) Windows have. (OS X "Snow Leopard" will have full ASLR, but it's not out yet). Linux has Pax, ProPolice, exec-shield as well as GCC flags that help stop buffer overflow exploits. Vista and Win 7 have similar technologies. Apple is way behind the curve on memory protections.

I will hand it to Apple, though, for borrowing Sun's ZFS filesystem and DTrace. BSD also has taken the same technologies (and I hope Linux will one day, but unlikely unless Oracle GPL's them).

Basically, what I am saying is why pay a lot of $$ for a MAC when you can run Linux on cheaper PC hardware for free? Or if you don't like Linux, then you have BSD (from which OS X is based). I mean Apple has just taken BSD, created a few cool userland apps, and put an Apple logo on it and charged a hefty price for it.

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The Hundred Gunner

I'm experienced in all of the above OSs. I simply find OSX to be an easier OS to use. In my case, it's superior in that it makes desktop work fast. Linux doesn't really have anything that matches Spotlight (and its integrated dictionary and calculator features, for example, which I use all the time). Screenlets and Plasmoids are much less polished than Widgets. I don't know of anything in Linux that matches the speed and functionality of Quicksilver. I haven't run into any video editing software for Linux that's as good as iMovie (not that it's the best, of course).

Don't get me wrong: I don't dislike Linux at all. If I weren't using OSX, I'd be using Linux (as my desktop OS). It's just that I find that OSX is superior for my purposes.

Most? I think that's a PC-forum delusion. Many, certainly, but I doubt most.

I agree. Linux makes exponential leaps with every release.

I have to tell you... They're just not the same.

Well those few cool apps are the deal maker. I use my computer for desktop work between 4 and 12 hours a day, so those tools are going to help me. I'm willing to pay a bit more since I'm going to get what I want to be working with all the time. If I were to put a number on it, I would say that OSX is 98% hassle-free whereas Linux (let's say Ubuntu) is 85% hassle-free. It goes down from there distro to distro, of course.

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thiussat

There is strigi which is a file indexer that can search not just file names but for phrases and words within almost any type of file and it can do it virtually instantly (like Spotlight). Of course, it isn't as "pretty" as Spotlight and doesn't have all the plugins, but it gets the job done (albeit it isn't all that mature yet, because it is a KDE 4 app). As for dictionaries, there are numerous widgets you can put on your desktop for both Gnome and KDE that has this function.

There are various Linux Quicksilver clones out there to my understanding. It seems "Gnome Do" might be the most popular one (and Krunner for KDE). I'm not going to say they are as polished as Quicksilver, but they seem to do the job. And since Quicksilver is now open-source, I think we will see these Linux apps improve over time as more ideas are taken from Quicksilver. As for iMovie, I am not a video editing type of guy, but Kdenlive looks pretty nice.

EDIT: I had never used KRunner on KDE 4, but I found out it comes standard with it. All I had to do was hit Alt-F2 and up pops a dialog box. It's pretty nice actually and I am glad you mentioned Quicksilver.

Same here. Nothing against OS X. I know it has cool apps (which has inspired many things on the Linux desktop) and is in the UNIX family (always a good thing), but I am just not convinced it is worth me shelling out the jack for a Mac when I have Linux. But to each his own.

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enorbet2

Disclaimer - I have never owned a MacIntosh (except the awesome audio amplifiers) nor do I now and I am not at all likely to shell out $200 plus for a EFI-X usb dongle to build a "hackintosh". However I have used quite a few Macs and I know considerable about their systems and I have to say they are no ripoff. You do indeed get what you pay for partly because of extremely high standards of cutting edge hardware. For example back during the first big Mac vs Wintel War when x86 could only address 1 Megabyte of RAM, Macs could address 16 Megabytes directly, not through a narrow window, and that's just the beginning. Again I encourage all to read about what Macs offerred when M$ stole the show by pandering to old software with sooo much less. More recently when Win98 was a 32 bit shell running on an 8 bit and some 16 bit code, Macs were full 32 bit. Now they're real 64 bit. Until recently all hard drives were 5 year guarantee SCSI drives that were many times faster than IDEs or even most SATAs. By tightly controlling what hardware was available it minimized kernel size and number of loadable drivers making them both fast and stable as well as long lasting from high quality, high performance and minimized variables.

It is likely that once Linux and BSD offerred kernels for the PowerPC platform that someone at Apple tried it and you can bet Steve Jobs tried it out leading to the brilliant move to become BSD-based and allowing IDE drives, which had improved greatly, as well as Intel processors. IMHO the Motorola based PowerPC RISC CPUs crush Intel x86 in performance but Intel as a company cleaned Motorola's clock, so x86 won in the marketplace so Jobs was right to make the change even if it did compromise quality. After all most of the world wouldn't even notice, since Intel, and especially x86, dominates. Which kind of brings us back to EFI in Apple mobos since that is Intel's replacement for the aged BIOS which have yet to be embraced by the x86 world. See, cutting edge and snuggling up with the winner, Intel. Smart.

The point is don't be so quick to write off Macs as being unworthy of their price. Apple isn't stupid. You can buy MP3 players all day long that work reasonably well and are cheaper than an iPod but ig you ever try an iPod it's really hard to accept anything less, assuming you think multimedia is worth the price of admission. They are louder, sweeter, more easily organized and accessed (just try to find a single song among 1000 on anything else in just a couple strokes) and damn they are beautifully engineered. No wonder they won prestigious awards. It isn't far off the mark to assume similar engineering in their computers.

So to eschew the martial arts analogy in previous posts on this and embracing analogies to automobiles PCs are like Ford/Chevy/Dodge and Macs are more like Jaguars and Volvos. Personally I like to hot rod Fords and Chevys and that is quite limited for now with Macs and I'm not very excited about hot-rodding Jags or Volvos but they are pretty well worthwhile right off the showroom floor. If you use a computer for more than email, gaming and browsing pr0n (and soon gaming may be moot) it is worth your time to seriously check out Macs. I will probably never own one but I sure won't talk smack about them. Who cares about typical users when the product deserves mad props

PuffMaN

i got a box with linux only, and a box with dualboot..
been using linux for years now.. cant miss it!

dont try this on windows

oh man i love my linux

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I know I do not speak for everyone by a long shot, especially on a site like OCN, but, I do play all my games in Linux. And I don't mean super mario, I mean Fallout 3, Counter Strike: Source, Command and Conquer 3, Left 4 Dead, Supreme Commander, list goes on and on. Some took some playing with to get working but they all play at max fps (~60fps) with ultra high on every setting. I take flak from people who want proof constantly, and the others that always claim I'm misleading people by stating my experiences. (Not sure why) but I just check games before I buy them on the Wine AppDB and adjust the purchases I make accordingly. I don't feel like I'm missing out because a *few* games refuse to play in Linux. So I took the leap a few years ago and haven't looked back. Linux gets better every 6 months.
I discuss how I play my games in my sig below "Linux Gaming Explained" I invite anyone to check it out in conjunction with this challenge. Especially if the reason you don't even want to try linux is because you can't play games in it.

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I have a question...

Will Ubuntu 9.04 flawlessly integrate with my current Vista x64 boot.ini?

It's been awhile since I've been in the game.

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