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I like the idea of Compiz... does it work fairly well? What is the big difference between it and Beryl?

Also, can you install Adobe reader/flash in Linux?
If you want flash player with little troubles installing, go 32-bit. In Ubuntu 7.10, Firefox can install Flash the same as in Windows. You get a box asking if you want to install the plugin. Hopefully, Adobe will release a 64-bit version.

As for Adobe Reader... it's crap. There's many alternatives for Linux that don't take 15 seconds to load.

Compiz Fusion works GREAT. Compiz was first, Beryl was a spinoff of the project, then the 2 projects combined to make Compiz Fusion. I actually have LESS CPU usage with the fancy effects running than without.

For those that don't believe me... drag a large window around on the screen quickly without Compiz. Notice the CPU usage jump up a bit. Enable Compiz. Drag the windows around again. Note that the CPU usage doesn't move.


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Also, no ATI support (still no x1950 drivers)
What is this lack of ATI x1950 support you speak of?

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Even an iPod works as a plug and play device... no extra software needed. When was the last time you tried it?
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I use Fedora at work, which is what 90% of our servers run on. I only really use the SSH command terminal through my XP laptop.

Linux is very powerful and has some brilliant ideas, shortcuts and things that just "make more sense". However, even after several months of using it, I would still call myself an advanced novice.

For me, compatibility is the main key. My Windows machines very very very rarely ever crash. Usually it is down to my own mistakes! If you maintain your PC well, it will not crash. Unfortunately this doesn't always apply to the novice PC user... who wouldn't use Linux in the first place.

I respect Linux as a very good OS, but in today's world, Windows has the upper-hand. I'm in business and businesses use Windows. Servers can use Linux, no problem, because the average user does not need to use it.
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id like to try it, but i dont understand the interface.
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On a side note, is a big deal if I install 64 bit Ubuntu? 64 bit will make full use of what I have on my PC, but I don't want to run into heavy problems being 64 bit.

Should I stick with the vanilla version or take a look at Kbuntu?
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I like the idea of Compiz... does it work fairly well? What is the big difference between it and Beryl?

Also, can you install Adobe reader/flash in Linux?
I don't know what you mean by "work well." Do you mean does it work on lower-end systems? Do you mean does it look nice?

I'm not even sure what the difference between Beryl and Compiz is, but I think Compiz-Fusion is a "mix" between the two (Beryl + Compiz, that is.)

Every (graphical) distro I've ever heard of has a PDF reader (and writer? I know OOo can convert word/text files into PDF) of some sort, although it isn't called "adobe acrobat reader."

There is an Adobe Flash Player in Linux as well as Java.

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On a side note, is a big deal if I install 64 bit Ubuntu? 64 bit will make full use of what I have on my PC, but I don't want to run into heavy problems being 64 bit.

Should I stick with the vanilla version or take a look at Kbuntu?
I'm using Suse 10.3 x64 and haven't run into any 64-bit <--> 32-bit compatibility issues at all. The main issue I used to have with 64-bit on other distros is flash player. I can't remember what distro I did this on, but I used some kind of "flashwrapper" or some "wrapper" program like that which uses the 32-bit flash as 64-bit. I don't really even understand what the deal is with flash; the only thing that's holding flash back in 64-bit is the installer.

The file that you download from Adobe is the same. The folder contains 3 files. One is the actual flash plugin, the other idk, and the last is the installer. All the installer does is put that actual plugin into your Firefox folder. The stupid installer will check if your OS is x86 or x64, and if it's x64 it just won't copy the file to the folder for you. Kinda stupid. But it is possible to get flash working in an x64 environment, just know that.

Suse automatically had Flash installed, so I had no issues with that at all.

As for choosing among the *buntus, just go with whichever interface you like best, because that's the only difference. As you probably already know, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE, and Xubuntu uses Xfce.

GNOME and KDE are the most used. GNOME, I think, focuses more on ease of use and easier navigation. KDE seems to focus more on looks. I find KDE to be faster, though. GNOME seems to have better overall support. Both will run any program, whether or not they're "oriented" for one or the other.
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As for choosing among the *buntus, just go with whichever interface you like best, because that's the only difference. As you probably already know, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE, and Xubuntu uses Xfce.

GNOME and KDE are the most used. GNOME, I think, focuses more on ease of use and easier navigation. KDE seems to focus more on looks. I find KDE to be faster, though. GNOME seems to have better overall support. Both will run any program, whether or not they're "oriented" for one or the other.
It should also be pointed out that you can install any of the window managers on any version. KDE can be installed on Ubuntu and it'll be just like Ubuntu but with Gnome apps also installed. For me though, I prefer Xubuntu with a few KDE and Gnome apps installed. AmaroK is a must.
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I forgot PcLinuxos doesn't have a 64bit version. Go with Fedora, Suse or *buntu.

Kloro - Have you tried http://www.exaile.org/ instead of Amarok? I used to love Amarok but i prefer Exaile and it would be one less kde dependency for you.

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If you want flash player with little troubles installing, go 32-bit. In Ubuntu 7.10, Firefox can install Flash the same as in Windows. You get a box asking if you want to install the plugin. Hopefully, Adobe will release a 64-bit version.

As for Adobe Reader... it's crap. There's many alternatives for Linux that don't take 15 seconds to load.

Compiz Fusion works GREAT. Compiz was first, Beryl was a spinoff of the project, then the 2 projects combined to make Compiz Fusion. I actually have LESS CPU usage with the fancy effects running than without.

For those that don't believe me... drag a large window around on the screen quickly without Compiz. Notice the CPU usage jump up a bit. Enable Compiz. Drag the windows around again. Note that the CPU usage doesn't move.




What is this lack of ATI x1950 support you speak of?



Even an iPod works as a plug and play device... no extra software needed. When was the last time you tried it?
ATI's website has no x1950 Linux Drivers, and I don't feel like going to the trouble of trying to code my own drivers. Besides, with no SATA driver support as of 2 months ago, none of it matters, as I couldn't install it even if I wanted to.

The last time I used Linux was this time last year, before I bought the x1950. After that, even web pages lagged when I scrolled, and then I upgraded my mobo, and couldn't install it to try to hack or code drivers myself anyway.
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I forgot PcLinuxos doesn't have a 64bit version. Go with Fedora, Suse or *buntu.

Kloro - Have you tried http://www.exaile.org/ instead of Amarok? I used to love Amarok but i prefer Exaile and it would be one less kde dependency for you.

THG - There is no 64bit flash player so 64bit distros get it working by using 32bit libs and emulating it ala wow64 on windows.
I need this file to get Exaile installed: libpython2.5.so.1.0. But it's not in the repos, and the only site that carries it (PBone or something) never works. Anyone have it?

The regular flash file will still work in 64-bit. It's only the installer that doesn't like 64-bit. You can manually move the file to your Mozilla Firefox folder.

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ATI's website has no x1950 Linux Drivers, and I don't feel like going to the trouble of trying to code my own drivers. Besides, with no SATA driver support as of 2 months ago, none of it matters, as I couldn't install it even if I wanted to.

The last time I used Linux was this time last year, before I bought the x1950. After that, even web pages lagged when I scrolled, and then I upgraded my mobo, and couldn't install it to try to hack or code drivers myself anyway.
ATI just upped Linux driver support recently. It should be available in the package manager. I don't know about the no SATA support. A couple times, Suse didn't detect my SATA HDDs, but I rebooted and somehow now it does. Gobo Linux did that too, as well as PC-BSD.
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I need this file to get Exaile installed: libpython2.5.so.1.0. But it's not in the repos, and the only site that carries it (PBone or something) never works. Anyone have it?

The regular flash file will still work in 64-bit. It's only the installer that doesn't like 64-bit. You can manually move the file to your Mozilla Firefox folder.
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this has been on the 10.2 packman repo for quite sometime, but it hasn't been ported to 10.3 yet, and it's still a little oudated! There is now a 0.2.11 package of exaile for openSUSE 10.3 in the Downloads section of the Exaile site.
It is in the packman repo
http://packman.links2linux.org/package/exaile/40738



also have you got all the depencies met?
http://www.exaile.org/requirements




I am not disagreeing with you about flash i just want to point out that Suse64 is not pure 64bit like Arch64 is, Suse comes pre-installed with 32bit libs for compatibility reasons such as this
http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/in...howtopic=32536



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