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Old 04-18-08   #481 (permalink)
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According to my experience with newer distros of linux, if XP runs like crap then so will newer distros of linux if you are running the gui. Its not like linux has some magically ability to render a gui any better than any other OS... The only way it would be faster is if you were operating from command line only.

Who wants to do that retardedness for everyday use?
Go try an XFCE or Fluxbox based distro, your argument is completely nullified.

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I have an honest question which I do not understand:
Why do Linux users feel the need to push their OS on others like a Jehovah's witness? Why are they not content just letting people use what they use if they are happy? If they are not happy, won't they go looking for an alternative? And if they don't, isn't it their own fault?
Feel free to ignore me all day :P

I push Linux because it's a great OS, and I think people who don't know about it should take a look because they could be missing out. There are other more selfish reasons (more users means more support (drivers, software, etc...), but it really is just mainly I like to let people know about good things.
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Go try an XFCE or Fluxbox based distro, your argument is completely nullified.
Probably not, as those two distros will likely have some other deal breaker limitation.
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I have an honest question which I do not understand:
Why do Linux users feel the need to push their OS on others like a Jehovah's witness? Why are they not content just letting people use what they use if they are happy? If they are not happy, won't they go looking for an alternative? And if they don't, isn't it their own fault?

us linux enthusiasts are not to be compared with jehovah's witnesses. - bringing religion into it does not make a good, valid arguement.

besides, we dont knock on your door and say SWITCH TO LINUX; rather, someone like Latty posts a completely legit challenge simply stating that you try linux, and decide for yourself what is good for you.

unfortunately, we usually answer our doors, but this is a post titled "Never been convinced by Linux? Here is a challenge for you." -- the title shows exactly what this thread is about, and unlike our front doors, we retain the ability to not open it and read.
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Tell me why Linux people are always on some sort of crusade and why MAC people are so proud. Why cant you guys that like what you like and be satisfied. You dont see windows users running around trying to get linux an mac users to switch. Its like all of you (linux and mac users) have found the promise land and have an undying need to let everyone know where you live.

I CHALLENGE YOU LINUX USERS...

INSTALL VISTA FOR 2 WEEKS... Then come back and tell me that it isnt just as capable and stable as anything else out there.
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Linux is powerful if you know how to use piping, regular expression, shell scripting..
Otherwise, it's no useful..

it's for Programmers or administrators
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Tell me why Linux people are always on some sort of crusade and why MAC people are so proud. Why cant you guys that like what you like and be satisfied. You dont see windows users running around trying to get linux an mac users to switch. Its like all of you (linux and mac users) have found the promise land and have an undying need to let everyone know where you live.
That's pretty much it, we have switched, were amazed by how awesome it was when we did switch, and we want to share that experience, just like when someone tests a new piece of hardware that blows what they used to have out of the water. You are asking why Linux users always talk about it - maybe because it is worth talking about?

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I CHALLENGE YOU LINUX USERS...

INSTALL VISTA FOR 2 WEEKS... Then come back and tell me that it isnt just as capable and stable as anything else out there.
I have done this, I tried vista for a while after I installed it for gaming. It's just not as good, it's annoying to install software, running antivirus software is annoying, it's harder to find good software, I can't customize anything to the way I like it. It's slower to boot, and much else.

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Probably not, as those two distros will likely have some other deal breaker limitation.
Not distros, desktop environments. And no, they are both amazingly capable, XFCE is nigh-on perfect.
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Tell me why Linux people are always on some sort of crusade and why MAC people are so proud.
Tell me why windows people are always so defensive, acting as if they are being attacked whenever the name of any other OS pops up?

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You dont see windows users running around trying to get linux an mac users to switch.
lol that's because you don't switch from Linux to windows

At least in most cases.

And actually, you should see the amount of vista defend-o-maniacs running around trying to get XP users to switch. It's real.

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Its like all of you (linux and mac users) have found the promise land and have an undying need to let everyone know where you live.
Is it that windows users feel inferior or something? Why do they always feel like everyone else is out to get them?

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INSTALL VISTA FOR 2 WEEKS... Then come back and tell me that it isnt just as capable and stable as anything else out there.
Once again, windows users switch to Linux, not the other way around.

I had vista for a number of months before I dumped it. It's plenty capable and stable, but XP just runs my games better... And that's the ONLY thing I need windows for. I run the OS for no other reason; I don't even have AV on it. There's no reason for me or people like me to pay $400 for an OS when the free one does everything (save for games) even better.

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Ok I finally got Linux up and running, its Ubuntu 7.04 and I hate it. The only reason I have it is for folding. It took forever to setup, 7.10 just didn't not want to work at all so I tried a different version. The tiniest tasks take so long to find out how to do, I spent about an hour setting up SMP, I tried setting up video drivers resulting in a blank screen upon restart, after some searching I found a command to reconfigure xserver or whatever its called so that got worked out, also my side mouse buttons don't work (yes I tried the guide here on to get them to work, and it didn't). Everything needs to be done from the terminal, I tired installing Fahmon, but it seems as if I have to compile it myself, so I download the packages I need to compile it, I follow all the directions only to have it fail midway in because I'm missing some package that I can't even find in the synaptic package manager. The only good thing about linux is that my folding times are about 2 minutes less than in Windows.

Well thats enough ranting, but I agree with digitalphreak, they should make only one or a few distros and expand support for those.
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Wait 6 days, get Ubuntu 8.04 when it's released.
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Ok I finally got Linux up and running, its Ubuntu 7.04 and I hate it. The only reason I have it is for folding. It took forever to setup, 7.10 just didn't not want to work at all so I tried a different version. The tiniest tasks take so long to find out how to do, I spent about an hour setting up SMP, I tried setting up video drivers resulting in a blank screen upon restart, after some searching I found a command to reconfigure xserver or whatever its called so that got worked out, also my side mouse buttons don't work (yes I tried the guide here on to get them to work, and it didn't). Everything needs to be done from the terminal, I tired installing Fahmon, but it seems as if I have to compile it myself, so I download the packages I need to compile it, I follow all the directions only to have it fail midway in because I'm missing some package that I can't even find in the synaptic package manager. The only good thing about linux is that my folding times are about 2 minutes less than in Windows.
That sounds like you've had some bad experiences, but it also sounds like you haven't tried to use Linux for general use. It may have been a pain (for you) to set up, but because of that, why not try to use it? Frankly, I suspect you have been looking at old guides, now-a-days, graphics drivers, for example, the nVidia drivers are available via the restricted driver manager. It's a one-click setup which I can't see going wrong. If you did a more complex method (envy, nVidia binary), then that's probably your problem.

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Well thats enough ranting, but I agree with digitalphreak, they should make only one or a few distros and expand support for those.
That would destroy the choice Linux gives you. Besides, you can't limit the community like that.
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