Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner

Oh, boy. This is going to be fun. Here we go:



I'll agree there. There are so many possibilities in setups and distros and software and hardware that it's hard to find your exact case somewhere online and get whatever it is you need working.

I've had no success in getting Compiz working in Suse yet, and I've visited a good number of sites.



However, for me anyway, there's more to Linux than the special effects. The special effects are NICE, though.



Don't make broad sweeping statements like that. There is a VERY good chance that it's not true, which that particular statement isn't.



For wireless, I find it extremely difficult to get working in Linux. Wired usually works out of the box, though. For other regular stuff, there are usually built-in drivers, like sound, mice, etc.



I agree. Stupid things like that need to be changed if Linux is to take a bigger market share. I find it absurd that the supposed "easy" distro, Ubuntu (and its variants), doesn't support 1280x1024 (or any "odd/WS" res for that matter) out of the box. And it seems like such an easy thing they could change before putting the ISOs out for download...



Unfortunately, Linux/Unix was designed for power, NOT for ease of use. That's one big thing that pushes users away. Just look at the file system. It's not set up all nicely like it is in windows. It's designed for power (which I believe should draw us here on OCN in, since we bash the OS that makes everything so easy to use and its hardware that can't be OCed.)

There is a reason for the capitalization and brevity of program names, such as cp and mv. First, they're lowercase for the reason that if you had to type a bunch of commands (since Unix is primarily CLI), would you want to hit "shift" all the time? And wouldn't you rather type "cp" instead of "Copy?"

How annoying would that be? "Copy /Home/User/Desktop/File.ext /Usr/Local/File.ext" That would suck!



You can change: The resolution, the speed/sens, the acceleration and all that in the control panel




So the hell what? If I there is the possibility that I can help, I'll do it. What difference should it make whether or not there's a high probability of there being a port?



Yeah, I realize that. This is the reason I specifically laid out that we here on OCN should be able to learn Linux. I stated that I do not expect the average joe to do so.



I take it you haven't heard about windows stealth-updating users' systems, then, whether or not you have windows updates turned off.



If the motherboard fails, then you are allowed your key to work on that new motherboard. But you cannot get a new motherboard (an upgrade or anything) and tell them "my crap broke, new key plz?" That's against the m$ EULA.



If it's retail, you buy that one key and you can install it on any computers and activate it, as long as it's only activated on ONE computer at a time.

If you have an OEM key, your key is married to your motherboard. It cannot divorce it and remarry.



I agree with that. Linux is making its way toward being more user-friendly. But at this point in time, it isn't ready for the average joe. I do believe, however, that it has gotten to the point where it could be a suitable OS for leet people like us on OCN. At least you get to say you've tried it.

Oh, and on a side note (talking to everyone in general, no one specific): don't bash on other OSs for being user-friendly and not customizable and then say that you like windows because it's easy to use



You probably can get away with it. But that doesn't stop it from being illegal. Just like the people saying that using OSX on a PC isn't illegal: yeah, you might not get caught, but that doesn't stop it from being wrong. Apple and microsoft have the right to choose how they want their products sold, and if you break those terms, then you're stealing.



Then you're just tricking yourself and trying to justify your purchase.



Ou purposefully put out a skewed test. If you can't see from the beginning that his test favored one OS over the other, then you're taking the blue pill.

http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...-security.html



Let me ask, then: where do you find all your "documentation" for windows? As a beginner, where would one find documentation for installing something in windows? For defragging? Tweaking the registry? Learning about msconfig? Overclocking (GPUs)? Does windows have that all figured out for you already?



You could have at least provided an example. I really don't know to what exactly you are referring. If you mean like X and KDE and GNOME and stuff: did you really expect them to be named "DOS" and "explorer?" And the Panel to be called the "start menu?" No, it's different. Just because they're not what you're used to doesn't mean that they're absurd.



For noobs wanting to learn, there are books and many ways to learn. I've gotten books and stuff myself, and I'm on my journey to learning. For leet people like us on OCN, there are always ways of finding out how to do things; that's what we DO. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum site if everyone around me is complaining that things aren't easy enough... lol

Originally Posted by Brian_GP1200R

Everyone keeps mentioning defrag... Vista does it automatically now, XP hardly ever needed if for average use either... lord knows I probably only ran it twice during the 4-5 years that my copy of XP was up, and my XP box wasn't a dog.

Originally Posted by Brian_GP1200R

Also if you don't want the stupid AV messages, don't install crap AV software (Norton is about the worest ever), and don't download garbage with viruses. You CAN get a virus and malware on Linux too... don't forget that.

Originally Posted by Brian_GP1200R

Here is what I want:

1) Good performance on Athlon XP 2100+ with 1 gig of memory

2) Must be "pretty"

3) Must be easy and make sense, I can deal with hard, but I don't want to.

4) Must out of the box support my hardware. I DO NOT want to compile drivers. When I mean support, I want to plug in my USB Canon printer and it start working. I do have a 22 inch wide screen monitor, I saw someone mention that some distros don't deal with that well natively.

5) Must have a good package manager, I don't want to deal with depenencies. I want updates automatic and non-intrusive.

Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner

You can change: The resolution, the speed/sens, the acceleration and all that in the control panel

Originally Posted by Brian_GP1200R

Here is what I want:

1) Good performance on Athlon XP 2100+ with 1 gig of memory

2) Must be "pretty"

3) Must be easy and make sense, I can deal with hard, but I don't want to.

4) Must out of the box support my hardware. I DO NOT want to compile drivers. When I mean support, I want to plug in my USB Canon printer and it start working. I do have a 22 inch wide screen monitor, I saw someone mention that some distros don't deal with that well natively.

5) Must have a good package manager, I don't want to deal with depenencies. I want updates automatic and non-intrusive.


So, what distro gets me closest to the above? I'll d/l and install it once my new HD gets in and let you guys know what I think. Obviously I can't do perf testing between Vista and this new linux box as they will be on different hardware.

Originally Posted by Quasimojo

Easy there, Sparky. Your reply of "is there a Linux port?" would lead one to think you were proposing a potentially obvious solution to the problem that you felt the poster may have overlooked, which just struck me as a real longshot. No offense was intended.

Originally Posted by FrankenPC

Your quoting skills are impressive. Seriously. I love your posts.

Originally Posted by FrankenPC

If people who love UNIX (in this case, Linux) want world wide adoption, then you will NEED end-user adoption. So far, all I see, day in and day out, is the same old thing: technical elitism. Conversion of common dialect into short-speak and acronyms. End-users will never feel at home with that mentality. You can argue all day long with me on this aspect, but the truth is the truth. UNIX is NOT approachable by the average Joe. And, until it is, UNIX will remain the domain of the sys admins and programmers (and in my case, my x64 folding OS :P)

Believe me, I would love nothing better than to see M$ fold due to their OS price gouging. But, I'm a realist.

Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner

Then you're just tricking yourself and trying to justify your purchase.

For noobs wanting to learn, there are books and many ways to learn. I've gotten books and stuff myself, and I'm on my journey to learning. For leet people like us on OCN, there are always ways of finding out how to do things; that's what we DO. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum site if everyone around me is complaining that things aren't easy enough... lol

Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner

I agree. Stupid things like that need to be changed if Linux is to take a bigger market share. I find it absurd that the supposed "easy" distro, Ubuntu (and its variants), doesn't support 1280x1024 (or any "odd/WS" res for that matter) out of the box. And it seems like such an easy thing they could change before putting the ISOs out for download...

Originally Posted by KloroFormd

Any chance you could find me a virus or malware that'll properly execute it's payload?

Originally Posted by Sir Humpsalot

I'm now 98% off of windows at home and I can borrow my gf's windows laptop for my windows needs (just paying one bill that won't work with firefox or konqueror and converting files to mp3- something that is easy with most other distros).

Originally Posted by Brian_GP1200R

Can I find it? Pretty sure. Could I distrbute? Not a chance. Sorry, I like my job thank you.

Originally Posted by Lelouch

As much as I would love to try Ubuntu out, the damned thing doesnt work. I cant get it to even install or boot unless I put in noapic and nolapic, and then grub doesnt properly install itself to the boot loader, so I just get a fubar system that needs windows reinstalled; again.

This is unacceptable. Windows does not have these problems. If you want user adoption, an operating system that just works without having to spend an hour on a workaround is needed, from what I can tell Ubuntu is not capable of this, and hasnt been since I have tried it (started somewhere back at Ubuntu 5 something, never gotten it to work).

Not trying to knock Ubuntu too hard, but this is the crap I cant stand. Halfway tempted to again give up on this broken OS and not waste my time.. And the Ubuntu Forums have been less than helpful.