cgrado

This has a lot to do with people coming on here and getting in the software sections and saying "hey can you get me a cracked version of XXXX?" or people who discuss DRM and say "well I just pirated it guys, talk to me if you want it free too!" and other such things. It simply that OCN doesn't support piracy (because it's illegal) and so any member posting that does will reflect the "views" of OCN. The "views" of OCN can't conflict, and OCN prefers to keep them on the legal side.

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VulcanDragon

First, read my OP. Nowhere did I claim that discussing piracy is against the law. However, discussing piracy is in direct violation of this site's Terms of Service. If you do not wish to abide by the ToS, you are invited to take your conversation somewhere else. If you wish to hold conversations here, then stay within the ToS.

Second, you're absolutely crazy if you think that legal action cannot be and is not taken against web sites that threaten intellectual property by openly discussing or offering piracy methods. It happens all the time. No one wants to even toe that line with OCN, I hope. If you do, see my previous invitation.

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Col. Newman

Nice circle argument LOL

I was talking @ the people that were saying that this rule prevents the site from being sued. As long as no links are given out in the open they can't touch you. Also The copyright nazis are going to go after the big warez sites not an OC site.

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cgrado

You mean not after one of the largest enthusiast computer forums on the web?

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Col. Newman

They can't touch you if there are no links DUH!!!!!! Besides even if there were links there wouldn't be that many they have bigger fish to fry.

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Donnie Walhberg

i agree mr. spock, live long and prosper.

Asus Mobile

Wow you guys can taunt like this? I guess I must learn the subtle differences between taunt/insult/cute/clever/insightful/boorish?

I guess the Vulcan might be in a correct formal manner. Be trying to express for the sake of example?

It is one thing to spit on the sidewalk. It may be against code? You might be at risk of getting a ticket? OK common sense DO NOT spit in front of a Cop? I mean it lacks sense fellows. You think. Why push on the backs of others?

Things have ways of degenerating. You start with a philosophical discussion on the merits of restrictions. Next you know someone signs up and posts illegal links. Yea you say I did not invite him?

Well you did and you didn't. Just because you did not invite (you did) don't act innocent. My biggest problem is notice was given, it seems to be challenged? If you went to someones house would you challenge their rules? I doubt.

It was respectfully asked so out of respect don't try and skirt.

And don't ever think I am #1 rule follower I am not. I need to learn to treat people with common courtesy myself. But at least I go off on emotion not methodical disrespect.

Consider and too all a good night!

VulcanDragon

I wasn't being circular at all. The fact is that this site does not permit piracy discussion. Whether it is technically illegal is not your concern. Although I always chose to try and explain (both publicly and privately) my rationale for cutting off discussions, ultimately no rationale is needed. Admin set the rules in the ToS, and they were to be followed.

I do not believe anything in the original post has changed since I retired from "public service". Unless and until a current moderator updates the post with more current information, it should be treated as a clarification of one of the ToS. In short, this debate is moot...the Terms are the Terms, period.

That's just not true, and I'm not real fond of people spreading this kind of misinformation that will fuel the truly uninformed n00bs pro-piracy discussion tirades. It may be less likely that they might go after OCN vs. something like The Pirate Bay, or whatever, I can certainly grant you that. But any assumption that OCN is some sort of safe zone because we're not "big enough", and we should therefore be free to discuss whatever we want as long as we don't post a link to something else, is ludicrous. I've deleted many a post in my day that did not contain links but that were very clearly informing people on how to pirate.

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A-E-I-Owned-You

Its not about having bigger fish to fry. If you have the choice between being completely legal or only semi legal no matter how small the offense, going 100% legal is always the best choice. They want to avoid having any trouble whatsoever and that I can understand. If there is absolutely no talk of piracy in any positive way, then there is no doubt that OCN has nothing to worry about.

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Col. Newman

I wasn't being circular at all. The fact is that this site does not permit piracy discussion. Whether it is technically illegal is not your concern. Although I always chose to try and explain (both publicly and privately) my rationale for cutting off discussions, ultimately no rationale is needed. Admin set the rules in the ToS, and they were to be followed. [/QUOTE]You were using the fact that it is against the ToS, as a reason for it to be against the ToS. A lot of sites do this to avoid them having to justify why something is against the rules.

I never said it was a safe zone I was only saying it was highly unlikely that OCN would be sued because computer discussion is OCN's focus not piracy. Also telling someone how to commit a crime is not a crime. And just because you deleted a post does not make it illegal.

Obeying the law for the sake of obeying the law is always wrong.

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