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Default Peltier Assisted cooling... Would my idea work?

I have been toying with the idea of putting a smaller (lets say around 100 watt) peltier on the backside plate of my tuniq tower. From what I know the freezone/eliminator use small tec's to cool water and only have fans blowing the heat out of the box. If I mod the base of the tuniq (take it apart, use thermal paste between the 2 plates and on top on the heatpipes for contact with the top) wouldn't 75 more watts of cooling power make it into an awesome cooler? The real question is if I did this, would good case airflow remove the heat from the hotside since it would be a small tec running at 50-75(pref 75) percent? I think if this will work it should give results close to that of high end water cooling and would cost less than 100 bucks. A small tec could also just be run off the normal power supply so it would be all inside the case. Also pipes going to the fins being colder themselves should improve the performance of the tuniq even more, because with a fan blowing air over the plate/exposed pipes I get 1-2 degree temp drop already. + you wouldn't have to worry about condensation because it would only be on when the pc is on and it would be too weak to make things that cold with any heat at all from the cpu.
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Actually this is the one I would use should I try this.

http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...&cat=30&page=1

Would good airflow be able to remove the heat with that running on just 12 volts from my psu to make that effective?
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You'll have to clarify this idea, ideally with a picture. If I understand correctly then there's is no way whatsoever this will work.
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Are you thinking of putting the peltier here?

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http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Inf...2001-08Web.jpg

It would just be putting a tec between the metal part you screw down and the base of the tuniq. Then have a fan blowing across it for the heat. I have no idea how much heat a 172 watt peltier would make at 50%. I have never worked with peltiers. If its not possible with a 172, then what about a 120 at 50% or an 80 watt? Even if I could only pull it off with the 80 watt, I would think that+tuniq would be enough to overclock a q6600 to 3.8-4ghz safely and be stable 24/7. Because the tuniq alone is good for 3.6 ghz atm with no case airflow.

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it wont work. load is too heavy for aircooler.
load of quadcore is too much for that pelt too. will overheat and die.
only a 437W pelt can come close to properly cooling a quadcore. pelt-watercooling setups cost lots of monies, by the way.
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Please explain how. The pelt would only be used for assisting the tuniq. The tuniq would still be doing the majority of the work. My idea is that the peltier would just chill the block(as much as it could) and the heatpipes. Causing some heat to be lost to the pipes/block before it ever gets to the fins of the tuniq. How would it ruin the peltier.
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it wont work. load is too heavy for aircooler.
load of quadcore is too much for that pelt too. will overheat and die.
only a 437W pelt can come close to properly cooling a quadcore. pelt-watercooling setups cost lots of monies, by the way.
I know the load is too heavy for a q6600 at 4ghz for either the pelt or the tuniq. My question is: Is the load too great for the tuniq+the pelt at the same time, not one or the other.

Also I found this pic where I got my idea from.
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie...ezone/1008.htm
Seems the coolit just has a few small tec's on a 120 rad. If the fan can remove the heat of those tec's, then why would this idea not work with 172/120 pelt running at 50%?

No offense to anyone. If you are not an experienced user of tec's/peltiers please do not post here. I'm not experienced with them and I don't need bad info about it.
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first of all, how do you plan on cooling the pelt? it doesnt magically make heat disappear...
second: aircooling cant handle 172+250W. (yes, a pelt generates lots of excess heat)
in the end you will still need watercooling to keep temps down. would be better to go with direct contact pelt-watercooling, but as i said, its expensive. like.. 200$ for a waterblock, 50 for the pelt, 24v dedicated PSU, BIG radiator, strong pump, etc.
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I know the load is too heavy for a q6600 at 4ghz for either the pelt or the tuniq. My question is: Is the load too great for the tuniq+the pelt at the same time, not one or the other.

Also I found this pic where I got my idea from.
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie...ezone/1008.htm
Seems the coolit just has a few small tec's on a 120 rad. If the fan can remove the heat of those tec's, then why would this idea not work with 172/120 pelt running at 50%?
the Coolit units use high voltage, decent wattage tecs at maybe 1/4-1/6 of their max voltage, at such voltages, the heat moved : heat generated ratio is much better. this means the heat output of the TECs can be handled by the heatsink. but also note that that isnt a heatpipe based sink. it has thick fins which carry the heat much better. also, it doesnt just heat up your case like your idea would, but rather ejects it out of the case, which your thingey wouldnt be capable of as it isnt a waterchiller.
why dont you just buy that freezone?
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