Strait Water loop vs FZE - Overclock.net

xJumper · 07-18-09

Okay so I was wondering if a CoolIT Freezone Elite would give better temps than a good tri-rad CPU loop with good CPU block/Pump and all.

The price is around the same, the FZE seems to be much less trouble, the problem is that it doesn't seem to have much headroom for future CPU's and after looking at a few user reviews that had taken apart these cooling systems (FZElite) the build quality seems very poor.

supaspoon · 07-18-09

Depends on the the chips heat load. I wasn't terribly impressed w/ the temps i've seen on a 65nm quad from these, and consequently have my doubts on how it might do w/ an i7.

If you're talking the same $$ between one unit vs. a water setup I'd go w/ the water. For one the parts are all modular so you can swap stuff out etc. W/ a single unit, if you don't like it you're replacing the whole thing.

xJumper · 07-18-09

Pretty much what other people @ XS told me, they get around the same temps. If I plan to upgrade to i7 or any future chips (witch I will be) the heat load will be too great for the FZElite while the GTZ Block or V8 Stinger will be able to deal with higher heat loads well.

What about the Boreas? It seems to be able handle i7's pretty well and gets slightly better temps than good quad rad WC loop. I thought about getting one of those and plumbing it into the loop.

XenoMopH · 07-20-09

Yeah, the Boreas can handle the heat load of an i& very well. But it's expensive. I almost got 1 off Ebay for just €160, but I was too late.

I'm using 2xFZE's (for the price of 1 new FZE,...Ebay).
Put them both in series making it almost a Boreas, lol. Got me a HeatKiller3.0, and a Swiftech MCP355 with a pumpres.
I'm getting 28.5C Load temps on an OCed 940BE @3713MHz With 1.47V. (21C ambient temp)
Look here

xJumper · 07-20-09

Those CoolIT systems are TEC Chillers, so they just cool the water down right?

Would it be better to get a chiller like the boreas or go direct die, like using Ultrasonics TEC Cold Plate/Hot Plate with a Pelt in the middle and a GTZ Block cooling the hot side.

I will be cooling quads and i7

XenoMopH · 07-20-09

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Originally Posted by xJumper

Those CoolIT systems are TEC Chillers, so they just cool the water down right?

Would it be better to get a chiller like the boreas or go direct die, like using Ultrasonics TEC Cold Plate/Hot Plate with a Pelt in the middle and a GTZ Block cooling the hot side.

I will be cooling quads and i7

Then you need to insulate your mobo and cpu to prevent condensation, most people just don't want to do that cuz of warranty...

xJumper · 07-20-09

minus the hassle of insulation, which would be better? and why?

Going with a chiller setup or Ultrasonics Cold Plate/Hot Plate Direct die TEC.

zipdogso · 07-20-09

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Originally Posted by xJumper

minus the hassle of insulation, which would be better? and why?

Going with a chiller setup or Ultrasonics Cold Plate/Hot Plate Direct die TEC.

Direct Die is, excuse the pun, dying out really due to the ever higher TDP's. Even Ultra himself is of this opinion, I am not sure even he would reckon it's worth it with an i7.

Chiller is becoming more the way to go and allows cooling of more than just the CPU. Whether Boreas is worth the money is a point of conjecture, it is actually far less powerful than any correctly built self-build but there is the rub...unless you are willing to research AND build a unit yourself there is little else out there.

xJumper · 07-20-09

Well the problem with chillers is that you have to go custom and I'm not ready to go out of my way and make an Ultrasonic style chiller. Not only would it take lot's of time, in the end it would probably cost more than a brand new phase unit.

For chillers, the Boreas seems to be the only options but after seeing the build quality of other CoolIT products, I am a little worried about adding it in my loop. Also the price of it brand new is similar to a used phase unit.

Ultrasonic2 (muffy) · 07-20-09

i suppose i should say something.

I have been highly Pro WATER to WATER chillers for some time now as your not limited by space so you can spread your heat load out across a large surface area and of corse you can have a billion watts of QMax if you want.. the problem with chillers is there expensive and condensation issues are significant

Direct die cooling is far cheaper and easier but due to lack of space it's hard to effectively cool the hot side and you've been limited to 400Watts of Q as well which really makes it hard.

in saying that im very impressed with my water block so far and hopefully the new one will be alot better

im gonna make some plates and a water block to fit 2 50x50mm TEC's under them and if this works they should be sweet for cooling a I7

From the testing i've done you'll be FARRRRRR better of buying the water block im making (1x 62mm) than buying those plates and sticking a normal water block on top. normal water blocks are only designed to cool the center so they're not very good at cooling a massive TEC

My Water Cooled block (1x62mm) will easily beat any coolit product no matter how many of them you buy and stick together on a 775 CPU. I haven't tired it on a I7 yet though but since i haven't finished it i can be forgiven :-) The I7 should be harder to cool. but i've seen some every positive results from others TECing a I7 .. i personally find their results to good to be true. we'll just have to see

07-20-09	#10 (permalink)
Ultrasonic2 (muffy) Extreme Cooler Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Auckland New Zealand Posts: 2,075 Rep: 131 Unique Rep: 77 Trader Rating: 1	i suppose i should say something. I have been highly Pro WATER to WATER chillers for some time now as your not limited by space so you can spread your heat load out across a large surface area and of corse you can have a billion watts of QMax if you want.. the problem with chillers is there expensive and condensation issues are significant Direct die cooling is far cheaper and easier but due to lack of space it's hard to effectively cool the hot side and you've been limited to 400Watts of Q as well which really makes it hard. in saying that im very impressed with my water block so far and hopefully the new one will be alot better im gonna make some plates and a water block to fit 2 50x50mm TEC's under them and if this works they should be sweet for cooling a I7 From the testing i've done you'll be FARRRRRR better of buying the water block im making (1x 62mm) than buying those plates and sticking a normal water block on top. normal water blocks are only designed to cool the center so they're not very good at cooling a massive TEC My Water Cooled block (1x62mm) will easily beat any coolit product no matter how many of them you buy and stick together on a 775 CPU. I haven't tired it on a I7 yet though but since i haven't finished it i can be forgiven :-) The I7 should be harder to cool. but i've seen some every positive results from others TECing a I7 .. i personally find their results to good to be true. we'll just have to see __________________ FOR SALE Universal 62mm TEC Plates for W/C or Air coolers Everything you've wanted to know about TEC's Last edited by Ultrasonic2 (muffy) : 07-20-09 at 09:37 PM

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