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I have first been planning WC, then added plans for a TEC... but now I am thinking of a cheap SS. I don't need -100 degree temps, I just want to keep a Phenom and later a Phenom II below zero. Since my plans for a TEC included an Arctic Web and a $150 600W aux psu as well as the $200 water cooling loop I began to look at phase, and recently a SS was suggested by a forum member.

I want low noise and low cost. I know the only way to get an affordable phase system is to build one. I can cut and braze the copper pipes but that is about it. I don't have any previous experience with such systems but I have been reading up on guides on how to do it.

My primary question is what would it cost to build a small SS and how quiet could I make such a system (I know the compressor will be the loudest component).

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personaly you are probaly better off contacting a builder. unless you are going to turn this int oa big hobby or a job it is alot of work and expence. you can always send a pm to littledevil or gomeler on xs forums. or you can contact nol if your able to get ahold of him.

although asuming you would want to take this up as a hobby the first step woudl be geting epa certified(assuming you live in the us, if you dont idk what the laws are for you) http://www.epatest.com/608/

next would be taking hvac classes and reading stickies on xtremesystems phase section. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...splay.php?f=80

and it never hurts to have a good refferance to look to. http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Refrige.../dp/1590702808


yes building your own is the cheapest way, and reparing your car yourself is also the cheapest way, there is just one thing... do you have the tools? do you see what im geting at here. vacume pump:$150, refridgerant:$300($50 for r290(aka propane)), manifold and other tools:$100+. now its the cost for the unit. compressor:$150, evap:$100, condensor:$60, tubing/filter drier/ect:$100. so in all you end up paying $960+ to build your first unit, and thats a very bacic one, no case, fancy temp sensors or anything. so bacicaly your not saving by building your own.

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I think I will have one built or buy a premade one from a builder. I think should be able to tune it if I need to.

I also know a good compressor will cost about $200 or a bit more if it is moderately quiet. My only other concern is what fans I will need to cool the condenser and how loud they will be. To get a decent phase system under 30dBA would be a dream come true, but I don't think that is reasonable.

I am really thinking phase isn't the right route for me. They're big, loud, and suck power like a blonde.

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I don't know how much they usually run, but frozencpu.com has one on their site for $800.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/62...tl=g41c275s679

MADMAX22

They will fit under a standard case so making it a little taller. They do take some power. They are not that loud. The only loud part is when they start up but when running they arent any louder then any water cooling system I have had.

There are things you can do to make them run quieter also. However I am nost sure if messing with phase is gonna be in your game if your too terribly worried about any of those concerns to be honest.

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NETio

I don't go to LAN parties so size is not a horrible concern. The power is not too bad since I will not be running this like a folding rig or anything (at least that is not currently planned). The noise is more of an annoyance. Right now I am running a few Scythe Ultra Kazes and they are obnoxiously loud (45+ dBA spec.). I would guess my entire rig is close to 50+ dBA with all fans maxed out. I don't think that would be too hard to improve on.

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It should be much quieter depending on which fans you have installed on it. I know my phase (mach II gt) after the initial startup where it is a little loud then you cant really hear the compressor. The loudes part are the two fans on it which in mine werent that loud.

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it cant hold a load. infact the vapochill ls is a beter unit actualy. at a 225watt load it hits 0c on a dual core. ive seen a stock vapo hold a 225watt load at -15c. appearenty it uses a bad evap design also.


also if noise is your only concern for a phase unit you can always use a water cooled condensor. except you now have a cooling loop for your phase unit. but the good thing is you'll see lower cpu temps. assuming you use a reasonable condensor. 15plate liquid to liquid or beter would probaly be adaquit. if you wanted to go 30 or even 50 plate you would see some rely good temps. buy 2 mcr220's with 40-60cfm fans you have nearly a dead silient unit with beter temps then with a air cooled condensor. its jsut you have an extra $100-200 added onto your unit. its a just a thought. alitle overkill but if silience is what your after that'll do it. you just have a 35db low hz tone from your compressor, or a high pitch tone if you use a rotary compressor. either way.

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