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MartaLualdi · 03-17-09

Okie, so I have been debating this for the past week or so. Someone asked me why I don't do phase and why I do water still so I figured I would scope out what all I am looking at spending and what is good. My system is in my siggy, I would like to keep it the same in terms of speeds and such. What am I looking at spending and what am I looking at getting for a good loop that I can rely on for lots of gaming and every day use? Again, I know nothing about this so all help is appreciated XD. Also, cost is not a factor, I will do what I must when it comes to computer parts for my gaming machine XD. Thank you pplz <3

DuckieHo · 03-17-09

You don't just buy parts for a phase unit. You need to build one or pay someone to build a custom one for your system. (not sure if there are any in Canada who sell).

Price ranges $400-1000.
They eat 200-500w.
You need to insulate your socket area.

d3str0y3r0fn00bs · 03-17-09

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Originally Posted by MartaLualdi

Okie, so I have been debating this for the past week or so. Someone asked me why I don't do phase and why I do water still so I figured I would scope out what all I am looking at spending and what is good. My system is in my siggy, I would like to keep it the same in terms of speeds and such. What am I looking at spending and what am I looking at getting for a good loop that I can rely on for lots of gaming and every day use? Again, I know nothing about this so all help is appreciated XD. Also, cost is not a factor, I will do what I must when it comes to computer parts for my gaming machine XD. Thank you pplz <3

oy!

loop eh? i guess your thinking of a water chiller. as a phase unit will only cool 1 componet(1 cpu or 1 gpu, unless you use multiple evaps which will drasticly decrease performance). personaly i recomend a water chiller over a phase unit anyway. keep your cpu at -30c or keep your system at -30c(gpu, cpu, nb ect) as water chillers can be tuned for higher wattages much easier in my opinion.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/member.php?u=47698
only canadian builder i am aware of. he is also building a unit for someone i know.

MartaLualdi · 03-17-09

Do water chillers also have to be built from scratch or are there prebuilt ones available?

heelsparky0501 · 03-17-09

built from scratch as far as i know :P

d3str0y3r0fn00bs · 03-17-09

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Originally Posted by heelsparky0501

built from scratch as far as i know :P

its a good hobby to take up, but it can get very expensive. its very easy to just spend over $500 on tools for hvac alone. plus you need to be certified, EPA in the us, no idea what it is in Canada if there even is any environment protection laws, another thing would be if he is going for low temp cascades and auto cascades they can quickly become safety hazards for a beginner. i would recommend reading these before beginning to think of building your own. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=54668
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=98591

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Originally Posted by MartaLualdi

Do water chillers also have to be built from scratch or are there prebuilt ones available?

basically its built from scratch anymore, you can use some aquarium chillers assuming there tuned for a high enough wattage, but they generally don't go below 5c. Chillers are easy to build as well, or you can ghetto mod an airconditioner, basicaly all you do is put the evap of the air conditioner in a cooler of anti freeze and use that as the Reservoirs of your water cooling loop.

GoHigh · 03-17-09

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo

You don't just buy parts for a phase unit. You need to build one or pay someone to build a custom one for your system. (not sure if there are any in Canada who sell).

Price ranges $400-1000.
They eat 200-500w.
You need to insulate your socket area.

I am certain that there is a pre-assembled phase change units.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...cts/ocz_cryo_z

http://www.xpressar.com/product/rsc1...-features.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g41/Phase_Change.html

I don't know what the difference in performance will be, but I looked into getting one for myself.

Veltri · 03-17-09

There are definitely pre-built kits available but they are waaaay overpriced. If you are near Edmonton I can build you a rig. Or if you are willing to pay shipping, of course you can be anywhere in Canada. PM me and we can chat.

**H3||scr3am** · 03-17-09

bwahahaha my words get to you that much eh? Yes, as all the others have stated... Phase is not a loop, its a single unit cabable of taking your heat source (CPU/GPU/NB) into sub ambients. it uses the same technoloy as an airconditioner or freezer, HVAC and Phasechange. I suggest getting a custom built one, only builder that lurks here is NoL and he's booked... basic single stage unit tuned to max load, gassed etc, will cost you around $600 USD + freight and customs... I've looked into it before, and someday I'll get one... but for you now, I'd say go look at a TEC, and fstfrddy's V8P waterblock

you can check out his site here send him an email... also check the for sale section for a 437W TEC and a meanwell PSU for it

it'd get your CPU sub ambient, add a little weight to your rig, but it may allow you to clock that CPU even higher

d3str0y3r0fn00bs · 03-17-09

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Originally Posted by GoHigh

I am certain that there is a pre-assembled phase change units.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...cts/ocz_cryo_z

http://www.xpressar.com/product/rsc1...-features.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g41/Phase_Change.html

I don't know what the difference in performance will be, but I looked into getting one for myself.

lets see here... #1... tuned for 120watts and nearly imposiable to find, 2x no!

#2 designed to keep ambient temp with r134a. uhh not what where after but it works(untill you force a cpu over 200watts!) so no

#3 built to handle around 200watts for $800.. uhh no. nol builds higher quality units that handle higher wattages for cheaper even!

there is no commercial sub ambient cooler these days, everything is basically custom made anymore.

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Originally Posted by H3||scr3am

bwahahaha my words get to you that much eh? Yes, as all the others have stated... Phase is not a loop, its a single unit cabable of taking your heat source (CPU/GPU/NB) into sub ambients. it uses the same technoloy as an airconditioner or freezer, HVAC and Phasechange. I suggest getting a custom built one, only builder that lurks here is NoL and he's booked... basic single stage unit tuned to max load, gassed etc, will cost you around $600 USD + freight and customs... I've looked into it before, and someday I'll get one... but for you now, I'd say go look at a TEC, and fstfrddy's V8P waterblock

you can check out his site here send him an email... also check the for sale section for a 437W TEC and a meanwell PSU for it

it'd get your CPU sub ambient, add a little weight to your rig, but it may allow you to clock that CPU even higher

fstfrddy's makes some dang good block both performance and aesthetically pleasing looking water blocks. the only problem is that the 437watt tec is actually only a 360watt. meaning its not good for quads. works great for dual cores though.

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Veltri New to Overclock.net Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 120 Rep: 10 Unique Rep: 10 Trader Rating: 0	There are definitely pre-built kits available but they are waaaay overpriced. If you are near Edmonton I can build you a rig. Or if you are willing to pay shipping, of course you can be anywhere in Canada. PM me and we can chat. __________________ Waterboard P5B Vanilla (vdimm, vdroop, vcore) e6300 489x7 @ 1.7V 8800GT (vmem, vcore) 780/1800/2000 MCR320, MCP655, MCW60 Noam Chomsky FTW

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