Firestorm252

my workplace is hitting this problem in spades.

• our medical charting software and Vista are going at it like Intel and AMD fanboys with pointy sticks.
• our medical records software sets off UAC prompts everytime the clinician accesses a new screen
• our bid-shift and scheduling programs might work on Vista according to the manufacturer, but they can't offer tech support as they never designed it for Vista
• our home-health office program supports Vista, but the way it handles sub-jobs and background jobs drives Vista (and me) insane.

for the forseeable future XP and 2000 are gonna be my best friends haha.

but i've done nothing but reghosting and redeploying PCs to XP for the past 3 weeks i'm gonna go nutty.

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and i just realized that our ordering system runs off an old AS400 machine. My guess is, with the current track record, it won't like Vista either.

i'm not saying that I personally wouldn't give Vista a chance. hell, i haven't even bought it yet so i can't say which i prefer.
but as far as work experience goes Vista and I don't get along very well.
i'm sure we'd be friends given some time away from work with each other hahaha

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iandh

How is that tinfoil hat working out for you?

Try running XP on a machine that was released bundled with win98 and let me know how "optimized" it is. For that matter, try running win98 on a machine that was bundled with win3.1 and let me know about that as well.

Software and Hardware progress in their complexity hand-in-hand. Anyone who cannot grasp this concept has been living under a rock for the last 20+ years. For those willing to spend money on up to date machines capable of running up to date software, this isn't an issue. Vista runs screaming fast on my system, much faster than XP especially with programs that are pre-loaded into the system memory.

Aaaah, "wonderful" XP, where one program error brings the whole system down to its knees. I had XP randomly crash several times a month at least, and that is with a fresh reinstall every two months.

I've been running this particular Vista install for about four months, and it has crashed to the point of needing a hard restart ONCE. Yes, ONCE. Not so much like fifty times or so XP would have crashed by now.

Funny, I heard similar comments about things such as the ISA and AGP slots.

Vista is really great, and I wish people would stop endlessly bashing it.

Define "lack of compatibility". Are you using a flatbed scanner from 1996 or something?

I am running x64 and it has amazed me with its compatibility, oftentimes supporting several years old hardware. Heck, when I first installed it I plugged in, Vista immediately recognized my Brother MFC665CW multifunction machine, installed printer fax and scanned drivers, and it was working within minutes. On XP it took me almost an hour to get the darn drivers loaded and in Vista I never even had to insert a disk.

The ONLY thing I have had any problem with was my Linksys wireless card which was purchased in 2004, and it was Linksys' fault for refusing to supply updated drivers for it. A quick trip to the wireless chipset manufacturer's site and it was up and running in no time.

DigitalSonata

Why aren't you bothered by the virus-like ability of M$ to modify your computer without you knowing, and without your permission?

Take a look at DSL (Damn Small Linux), it is fast, small, and very optimized, and very modern (if your bothered by the default DE/window manager install XFCE).
Developers should optimize things, not just code them horribly and let them go.

I'll stop bashing it when its not a security risk to run it.

Why shouldn't Vista be able to run a scanner from 1996? A new OS should always work with older technologies.

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iandh

I'll answer your question with a question... why does it bother you so much? How has it personally affected your life?

At this point in time any Linux derivitave and mainstream consumer OS's do not belong in the same discussion. I will be willing to continue along this line of discussion as soon as Linux becomes a mainstream OS which is familiar to the average consumer, and suitable for mass distribution. There are so many flavors that the average consumer can't make heads or tails of it all. Blame this on their stupidity, or "evil M$" or whatever you want, but it still won't change anything.

Please substanitate this statement with fact. There is just as much security risk with XP, if not more.

Well, the first reason would be that most new PC's nowadays don't have parallel ports. You figure it out.

dualhYbrid

You're missing the point. If they sell laptops with only vista, how do you get XP when you're a dumb dumb person buying a laptop. You don't go "oh, I'll pop down to my local comp. store and get XP" no, you have no understanding of computers if you are in the VAST majority of people. Im sure it comes with very detailed instructions on installing the os, too

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iandh

Although these dumbniks unfortunately control the vast majority of the consumer PC market, their sobbing complaints fall on deaf ears in my case at least. If you are that dumb you can go get screwed IMO. Educating yourself is the only solution.

Higgins

Why should it be compatible with EVERYTHING made since 95? They had to cut it off SOME point.. Vista has a ~13GB cleaninstall footprint mainly due to the mass amount of drivers it has. Now people complain about the lack of legacy drivers.. printers cost $50 now a days, if your printer wont work google around, go buy a new one, or go away.

Almost all reputable software has been updated for vista.. had to update almost everything on my computer.. and it runs a helluva lot better than XP

QFT but people have their 10 year old printer have a driver issue and trash it on their blog

That is not a Vista problem, unless your laptop is a new model and the manufacture is pumping out new drivers you'll only have XP drivers, or bad modded drivers. Why are you blaming MS for the lack of drivers from your laptop?

Hmm, virus like? So your saying the 13GB program that you RUN your computer on and is used to do EVERYTHING with your computer shouldnt be able to modify anything? So do you want another UAC window to ask you if it was infact you who is trying to create a new folder? I dont see why its such a surprise that your OPERATING SYSTEM has the power to patch itself.

Linux and Windows are not even on the same playing field, so dont bring Linux into a Windows thread until Linux becomes a consumer OS like Windows.

It isnt a security threat if you know what your doing. Install AV and FW and your fine.. Vista is a helluva lot harder to get into than XP ever will be.

Why should it work with a ten year old printer? Vista has like 7GB of drivers as it is.. you want it to have 20GB? Also, why do you think less and less motherboards have parallel ports?

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Firestorm252

i'm guessing you don't work in IT/IS...
land where budget is king and if you can still use it well enough to work then you don't get anything new...
people don't always buy stuf to stay on the bleeding edge especially if its in the business world. hell we've been using an AS400 unit since 88-89 and it's our most stable computer system.

but i digress.

i think it's aimed more at the professional sector where an incompatibility means a little more than "o hey, i can't use that. i'll try somethign else later"
in our case in the Emergency Room we had a situation where it was "o hey, we can't access what happened to this patient..." using the Vista notebooks we'd deployed there. to say we sprinted to grab one of the older mobile 2000machines would be an understatement.

i'll be making sure to notify my bosses about it since they'd rather not have a repeat of that Vista incompatibility

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OS owned - Windows XP Pro 32
Windows Vista Ultimate 32


Preference - Windows XP Pro

That's it, except to say that MS needs to lay off the "Buy Vista or die" attitude.

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