AmericanNightmare

if you don't like Vista don't use it. My personal experience with Vista has been good that being said i moderate a forum elswhere where a LOT of peoples experince has not been pleasant at all a lot of this is due to simple ignorance of how thier OS works or attempting to run it on machines not capable of running it efficiently but not all to be sure. Both Vista and XP have thier flaws i will however say this comparing pre-SP Vista to XP SP2 (which is what probably 99% of XP users are running) is not the best comparison. Given the choice between pre SP or even SP1 XP and Vista i would take Vista everytime.

The Linux comparisons need to stop (i know i am not the first to have said this) however well a given Linux distro runs on any given machine or compatible or incompatible it may be with said machine the fact remains that the most user friendly of distros of the many many differing flavors available will be a confusing nightmare to the average user. If i sat my mom or my next door neighbor in front of let's say a fresh install of Ubuntu Fiesty they would be frustrated within seconds. Most users are familiar with Windows so no matter how good Linux is (i personally use Ubuntu Fiesty and love it) the simple act of installing thier printer or unpacking a file would drive them mad.

Sure there are programs and utliities for Linux that make file mangment easier such a Automatix but that assumes the user even knows what Automatix is Joe Blow doesn't know how to run commands anymore than he knows how to repair his air conditioner.

Emmanuel

It's an amazing operating system, it looks great, feels great, I have DirectX10 and Bioshock looks great. Of course, it requires good hardware, I agree, but hey, you don't mix latest software with old hardware. Oh and yeah, I reformatted Vista 4 times, all 4 times were my fault, the first time was a virus, the second was a problem after using Driver Cleaner Pro, the third was after installing Windows x64, I didn't manage to make my wireless card work, so reformatted to x86. I reformatted Windows XP 6 times, all 6 times it was something related to errors with the OS, ntoskrnl.exe corruptions and all these crappy things that never get fixed when doing a repair installation.

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Agreed, it's a great OS. To the folks that piss and moan about the eyecandy guess what the average web surfing,email checking soccer mom loves her eyecandy and she and people like her make up the majority of computer users in this country.

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HrnyGoat

And thats how it should be. Current OSes are huge due to inefficient coding, and unfortunately, people mistake this for progress. The 13GB install footprint that Vista has makes it bloatware in my view. Operating systems shouldnt have to grow exponentially in size just to add new features and functionality.

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Actually I am one of the two admins at my work on a mixed network of PC's and Macs running various OS versions. The comment I made was regarding the consumer market, not the professional market, hence my specification "consumer".

I agree with you to a point. I've seen arguments both ways, but no convincing proof.

I understand this, but how far back should legacy support go? If manufacturers don't put their foot down we'd have nutjobs complaining about how they couldn't use their Commodore 64 external 5.25" floppy drive.

If we went by this mantra, we would still be using a command line interface.

This is subjective. I have experienced the exact opposite, and with the same hardware.

The whole point is that it fills up with stuff you do use.

The millions of posts on the internet complaining about program crashes hard-locking the desktop say otherwise. Be thankful, you are the proud owner of what could be the cleanest running XP install in the entire country, and possibly world.

If two things perform comparably, I would rather have the better looking one of the two. I have not experienced any slowdowns in gaming, at this point with matured drivers they are not typically measurable by anything other than long term framerate averages.

At this point in time I have not experienced any trouble running any software, in fact I have several programs that are several years old and run flawlessly, in fact nearly everything I've tried does. This is typically the fault of developers, and not of MS, so you should probably contact them with your complaints.

I usually won't reply with a emoticon, but

With the cost of storage nowadays this is a completely moot point IMO. Many folks have 1Tb+ of storage on their personal systems, 13gb is a mouse fart compared to the average HDD nowadays.

XP lite was made specifically for entities that could not economically upgrade their legacy systems

You pay for updated hardware to perform processing tasks more quickly, and the software manufacturers come in behind and make their software with the least optimization needed to run usably on that hardware. That is just plain profitable business, and while it sucks, all the Vista-bashing in the world will not stop it from happening.

I never mentioned BSOD, my hardware is rock stable. I was talking a system-wide crash/lockup caused by a program failure. Vista is much better at handling these events.

Unfortunately many did.

I definitely agree with you there. My point is that it is no worse than XP, and IMO a bit better. Most of the harsh opinion I've seen is ignorance/mindless bashing, and some of it fact.

This point is one of the ones that upsets me the most. This exact situation has happened with EVERY release of windows, and many releases of MacOS for that matter. Most large companies do not adopt a new OS almost until midway or even most of the way through its lifespan. We did not switch to XP at work until about two years ago, because we were waiting for a stable version of our manufacturing and inventory databasing system to be released and supported. Not counting the costs of hardware and liscensing it cost us about $50,000 in software to switch from 2k to XP, and the same will happen with Vista.

This method of doing things is not a surprise to me, nor to any large companies, why is it a surprise to everyone else?

Heck, the Califronia DMV in my town was running PS/2's w/green screens up until about four years ago.

Xero.

Didn't the Stang come out in 64? XD
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AmericanNightmare

The middle of 64 though the model year was 65. That's why many folks refer to them as a 64 and 1/2 Mustang.

jonny1989

The only difference with between Vista and XP now that they have gotten vista up to date is the theme.My games run faster under vista then they do XP (I have tested it) and they only real thing that sucks about vista is how much CPU power it takes to run.But once you get used to it ist realy only about 5-8% more power than XP uses.And Vista comes with so many cool things right out if the boxs.No having to have a old school floppy to set up RAID and other cool things.Downgrading to XP as of now is stupid and a wast of time.

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I have used Vista, and quite honestly it is nothing special. It's prettier than XP, yes, but a pathetic attempt to get closer to System 10 for the Mac and souped-up Linux/Unix distros which actually have more eye candy and less system resource usage. Gaming is decent, I agree, but other than that I don't see what makes Vista 'AMAZING ZOMG!!!!"

Shadowrunner340

yeah, and they also had fighter jets in WW1, didn't you know?

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