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[tgdaily] Windows Vista successor scheduled for a H2 2009 release?

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#1 ·
It seems too quick to me.


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Chicago (IL) - Several industry sources have confirmed to TG Daily that a very early version of Windows 7, previously code-named Blackcomb Vienna, already has been shipped to “key partners†as a “Milestone 1†(M1) code drop for validation purposes. A roadmap received by TG Daily indicates that the new operating system will be introduced in the second half of 2009.

While it has generally been believed that Windows 7 was scheduled for a 2010 debut, Microsoft has revised the roadmap and apparently moved up the release date by a few months: A recently distributed roadmap of the OS lists a release to manufacturing in H2 2009. Microsoft declined to comment on this date.

The current M1 drop is available to Microsoft partners in English only and has shipped in x86 and x64 versions. An interesting feature that has been highlighted by Microsoft is the ability of the M1 software to handle a heterogeneous graphics system consisting of multiple graphics cards from different vendors. A new version of the Media center is already integrated in this software, but supports PC speakers only at this time.

If Microsoft will be able to keep the H2 2009 RTM (and most likely) release date in place, the company will have two busy. The M2 code drop is currently scheduled for April/May 2008, M3 will follow in the third quarter. The dates for the first Beta and the release candidate are still listed as “To be determined†but it doesn’t take much to see that the first beta versions could become available a year from now.

We will have more clarity on when we could see Windows 7 going into production will when Microsoft announces Windows Logo Program Changes for Windows 7. According to the policy of the firm, these changes will be announced 18 months prior to the scheduled RTM.

There are very few pieces of information about Windows 7 and the features it will bring available at this time. So far, we have heard only about new touchscreen features as well as â€" and probably most interesting â€" MinWin, a much smaller kernel of the operating system that takes up only 40 MB of memory.

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#2 ·
Hum. I dont know what to think.
 
#5 ·
See!

This is what happens when Steve Ballmer is in charge.

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But seriously, if this is like Vista, it will be delayed.
 
#7 ·
I just read that it is actually seven, not "7", and that it is named as such not because of OS numbering, but because it is the seventh revision of the NT lineup :

NT 3.1
NT 3.51
NT 4
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows Seven

Source (in the reply posts)

I disagree that XP and Vista are "NT"; If they are calling it "windows 7", as in "windows OS #7", they are cutting three OSes (technically four if you count NT workstation, more if you count revisions).... ME is a given, but what else is "cut"? If you take away the main NT line, including Windows 2000 pro (technically tagged in NT family), they are still short by one... I think that even M$ wants to forget ME


Operating systems, in order:

1) Windows 1.0
2) Windows 3x
3) Windows NT
4) Windows 95
5) Windows NT workstation
6) Windows 98
7) Windows ME (a joke of an OS
)
8) Windows 2000 pro
9) Two versions of XP (home and pro)
10) Six versions of Vista (starter, Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise).

Like everyone else, I think it is way to early for a new OS. They release 'em so fast, they don't even get the bugs fixed first. Even Bill G said that Windows sucks, although I beg to differ.... except for ME of course.
 
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Originally Posted by R3ap3R View Post
I just read that it is actually seven, not "7", and that it is named as such not because of OS numbering, but because it is the seventh revision of the NT lineup :

NT 3.1
NT 3.51
NT 4
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows Seven

Source (in the reply posts)

I disagree that XP and Vista are "NT"; If they are calling it "windows 7", as in "windows OS #7", they are cutting three OSes (technically four if you count NT workstation, more if you count revisions).... ME is a given, but what else is "cut"? If you take away the main NT line, including Windows 2000 pro (technically tagged in NT family), they are still short by one... I think that even M$ wants to forget ME


Operating systems, in order:

1) Windows 1.0
2) Windows 3x
3) Windows NT
4) Windows 95
5) Windows NT workstation
6) Windows 98
7) Windows ME (a joke of an OS
)
8) Windows 2000 pro
9) Two versions of XP (home and pro)
10) Six versions of Vista (starter, Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise).

Like everyone else, I think it is way to early for a new OS. They release 'em so fast, they don't even get the bugs fixed first. Even Bill G said that Windows sucks, although I beg to differ.... except for ME of course.
not all of those ones are based on NT technology

and a new release should be every two years, the transition from xp to vista was 7 years, that is to long, so now people have come to accept it and refuse change, and the windows seven "vienna" that comes out in 2009 is not a major release, like they are not changing everything from vista, the one that comes after it is a major release they are doing it where it goes major release, minor release, major release and so on....

and all of this has been known since vista came out...
 
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Originally Posted by noshibby View Post
not all of those ones are based on NT technology

and a new release should be every two years, the transition from xp to vista was 7 years, that is to long, so now people have come to accept it and refuse change, and the windows seven "vienna" that comes out in 2009 is not a major release, like they are not changing everything from vista, the one that comes after it is a major release they are doing it where it goes major release, minor release, major release and so on....

and all of this has been known since vista came out...
Not all of which ones are NT based? And yes, I first heard about seven back when it was still Blackcomb; before Vista came out.
 
#10 ·
This could be a push to get an OS out that will last as long as XP has. There is speculation online that M$ will COMPLETELY scrap the current code that has been 2000 to XP and now Vista in an effort the rewrite the base code. This would be a great thing if they can get the time and people needed to write a good OS.
 
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Originally Posted by R3ap3R View Post
Not all of which ones are NT based? And yes, I first heard about seven back when it was still Blackcomb; before Vista came out.
These are all not NT based
1) Windows 1.0
6) Windows 98
7) Windows ME

oh and when you wrote all the different versions like

9) Two versions of XP (home and pro)
10) Six versions of Vista (starter, Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise).

when it said windows xp, and windows vista it meant the series not an individual version.

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Originally Posted by Pheatton View Post
This could be a push to get an OS out that will last as long as XP has. There is speculation online that M$ will COMPLETELY scrap the current code that has been 2000 to XP and now Vista in an effort the rewrite the base code. This would be a great thing if they can get the time and people needed to write a good OS.
They will NOT be making windows 7 a major release... the one after will be what you have described
 
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Originally Posted by noshibby View Post
These are all not NT based
1) Windows 1.0
6) Windows 98
7) Windows ME

oh and when you wrote all the different versions like

9) Two versions of XP (home and pro)
10) Six versions of Vista (starter, Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise).

when it said windows xp, and windows vista it meant the series not an individual version.

They will NOT be making windows 7 a major release... the one after will be what you have described

I never counted them as individual versions... they are counted individually. Plus, I never said 1.0, 98, or ME were NT based. I said:

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.... but because it is the seventh revision of the NT lineup :

NT 3.1
NT 3.51
NT 4
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows Seven
followed by a seperate subject regarding the numerical order of all Window OSes and how "Windows 7" is not the seventh windows os, but is the 11th counting the NT lineup, and the 8th OS without counting the NT lineup. The numbered list is never referenced as all being NT.....

I also said that I don't consider ME to be an OS, but a joke.
 
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Originally Posted by noshibby View Post
These are all not NT based
1) Windows 1.0
6) Windows 98
7) Windows ME

oh and when you wrote all the different versions like

9) Two versions of XP (home and pro)
10) Six versions of Vista (starter, Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise).

when it said windows xp, and windows vista it meant the series not an individual version.

They will NOT be making windows 7 a major release... the one after will be what you have described
What I meant was Vienna could be what M$ hopes makes Vista last like XP has lasted.
 
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Yes Windows ME was a joke. I never saw the point in it and it was not stable in any sense lol.

I do like Vista Enterprise though...any guesses why ?

MDOP? Virtualized desktop licensing? Advanced GPEDIT? Real-time desktop error monitoring and advanced diagnostics and utilities? A backup system that actually works?
 
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Originally Posted by R3ap3R View Post
MDOP? Virtualized desktop licensing? Advanced GPEDIT? Real-time desktop error monitoring and advanced diagnostics and utilities? A backup system that actually works?
Nope forget all of that...Im just in it for the ''Enterprise'' bit lol
 
#18 ·
It just seems to me, for a lack of better terms, that they're boasting another Windows Me in Vista. Though it works well, and it has a lot of new, nifty, and enticing features, it too will see the EOL bench along with other programs that could've been a lot better with the proper maintenance.
 
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Originally Posted by Pheatton
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Anything "Enterprise" means no registering with M$ ever.

Bull. With Vista Enterprise, there two methods of activation. First, you can use MAK, which is Multiple Activation Key. First and foremost, you must register with M$ to recieve this key. If the Vista install is not activated within 30 days, it goes into "reduced functionality mode".



To activeate, you click on "change product key". Then , you type the MAK activation key you recieved from M$:



The other way is called KMS Manual Activation. To do this, you must first have the key, from M$, registered to your domain server. These activations are good for 180 days, upon which it will automatically refresh your key. Going 30 days beyond the 180 without contacting the KMS server, and Vista goes into reduced functionality.



Anyway you slice it, Vista Enterprise (legitimate copies, anyway) require registration. Like anything, there are ways around it which I will not discuss here.

As for Office Enterprise 07, it utilizes the Volume Activation Process; hence, you do not need to register or activate the install if the original key is legit. However, illegal or illicit installs will be noted the first time you A: run a full Windows Defender Scan, or B: attempt to download a template or update which requires the WGA (windows genuine advantage) .ocx install; then, your product will go into reduced functionality mode. Again, I will not discuss ways to circumvent this, though they are available.

Yes, I do have Enterprise Vista and Office, albeit on seperate PCs. Oh, here is Office






You are right, however, that until Vista Enterprise, there was no registration needed, ever
 
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE
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What I love about Vista is they say 'Reduced functionality'' and you think perhaps you could do some stuff but its not reduced its non existent lol..only lets you register a key and if you dont it logs you out...hows that any kind of functionality lmao.

Believe me, I have accidently blocked the M$ KMS server with my firewall before, and you don't even get a warning or notice that you have 30 days left or anything. One day, you just boot up and BLAM! you have what looks like Vista Basic with all the functionality of Windows 95....
 
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Originally Posted by noshibby
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not all of those ones are based on NT technology

and a new release should be every two years, the transition from xp to vista was 7 years, that is to long, so now people have come to accept it and refuse change, and the windows seven "vienna" that comes out in 2009 is not a major release, like they are not changing everything from vista, the one that comes after it is a major release they are doing it where it goes major release, minor release, major release and so on....

and all of this has been known since vista came out...

This is the exact reason vista has encountered all this opposition. XP was just around too long, and people just expect all their old stuff to work on their new pc. This has never been the case, not all dos programs/drivers worked in win95, win98 etc. Not all win95, win98 drivers worked in XP or 2000. Since XP has been around for about 7 years people are reluctant to leave it. The #1 problem people have with vista and this is from my retail experience, is that they tried to install a program/driver that was NOT vista compatible.

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Originally Posted by JoeUbi
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I hope MSFT has learned their less with Vista and this will actually come out on time and perform well out of the box.

What are you smoking? This has never occured, every OS release has been plagued with bugs and security flaws from day 1. XP for example if you installed it with no service packs, you would have to do probably close to 300 updates! Vista has just passed the 1 year mark, XP has had 7 years to get to the state its in. Of course its going to have its initial problems like every previous MS OS before it, but frankly with my experience with Vista I really haven't had as many problems with it as I have had with the previous versions of Windows. This 7 year lapse has produced some of the most laziest, lethargic generation of computer users I've ever seen, they don't want to do anything or learn anything on the internet, all they want to do is surf and p2p file share. Seriously, if you don't want to deal with any computer problems this is what people need to do. Don't connect your pc to the internet and don't install anything on it. Computer problem solved.
 
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Originally Posted by Dman
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This is the exact reason vista has encountered all this opposition. XP was just around too long, and people just expect all their old stuff to work on their new pc. This has never been the case, not all dos programs/drivers worked in win95, win98 etc. Not all win95, win98 drivers worked in XP or 2000. Since XP has been around for about 7 years people are reluctant to leave it. The #1 problem people have with vista and this is from my retail experience, is that they tried to install a program/driver that was NOT vista compatible.
<SNIP>

A: Noobs shouldn't install drivers; they should let Vista do it for them. I have yet to find one device, sans those which are at least 5 years old, that cannot be installed.

B: With the exception of extreme speciality software, almost every program can be ran in Vista by right clicking it > properties > compatibility > run in compatibility mode for [pick OS all the way back 95] > maybe check "run as administrator" > rarely, run in 256 color / 640 x 480 resolution / disable visual themes / disable desktop composition / disable display scaling

The problem doesn't lie with Vista... it lies with the noobs and the uneducated / uninformed who can't find their *foot* from a hole in the ground.
 
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Originally Posted by R3ap3R
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B: With the exception of extreme speciality software, almost every program can be ran in Vista by right clicking it > properties > compatibility > run in compatibility mode for [pick OS all the way back 95] > maybe check "run as administrator" > rarely, run in 256 color / 640 x 480 resolution / disable visual themes / disable desktop composition / disable display scaling

The problem doesn't lie with Vista... it lies with the noobs and the uneducated / uninformed who can't find their *foot* from a hole in the ground.


I agree with you completely, however certain pieces of software can totally mess up a vista install, I recently encountered a problem with a customers laptop, they installed the fuji picture browser (xp software and isn't needed for vista) or something and it caused explorer to crash everytime you went to a folder with images in it. Removed the software, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by R3ap3R
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A: Noobs shouldn't install drivers; they should let Vista do it for them. I have yet to find one device, sans those which are at least 5 years old, that cannot be installed.

This is true unfortunately now there are more noobs with computers then experienced people and it seems they are dictating what OS we should use, and this is another reason Vista is encountering a lot of resistance.
 
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