Squeeky

Just cos he cant make a decent os lol, its just sad really. I say take them to court and try and prove it.

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I agree he should take it to court. The truth is, he won't. Ballmer and M$, in general, have used this "patent" claim for YEARS and have yet to ever take it to court. Why? Probably because they would lose.

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ChielScape

it would be more accurate to say it would cost them more than they would gain from it.

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gr1mo

Microsoft, are clearly software fascists. They try to spue propaganda on the open source community, they want to be the "one" the almighty hierarchy. They will lose in the end. They lose big customers every day. Capitalist cowards.

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Bviper

Last time I checked linux was JUST a kernel, it doesn't even have a GUI. Messaging client?? What messaging client? OpenOffice is not part of linux, so why don't you go after sun?

Oh that's right they're afraid they'll loose their patents in court. Number one reason they don't go after Linux is because it would open up pandora's box in regards to software patents. Besides there really isn't any face to Linux that you could sue

And can you really blame Microsoft for saying stuff like this? They're a corporation, solely interesting in making money and will do anything they can get away with. The real trick is simply not letting them.

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Choggs396

Microsoft is a business, not a government. Big difference. Businesses exist because customers freely purchase products from them. You don't have to buy a single thing from them. Also, generating profit is not inherently evil or cowardly. Generating profit is the whole point of most businesses.

Using hate speech and/or propaganda to express your dislike for a business or the methods it uses isn't a way to make a valid point. It will only show an outward lack of a point (and the placement of emotion over logic).

I don't necessarily support what Steve Ballmer says. But if someone has specific complaint, it would best serve their interests to logically and reasonably state why - and if the business displeases them enough, not buy it's products. People making that decision is the ultimate determinant of whether or not that business entity will continue to exist.

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He's made the claim for a year that OSS has violated these 235 patents but has not revealed a single specific patent they are talking about. Makes you wonder why he hasn't listed them.

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thiussat

He has been making this claim for far longer than a year. This goes back at least 5 years. You can google and find articles about this from 2004.

It seems every couple of years, there is a big fuss about Microsoft's threats to sue Linux. After all of these years, M$ has yet to reveal a single patent infringement. All they do is spew numbers.

I'm not an anti-capitalist. M$'s job is to make money and they do a very good job at it. However, their tactics to squash competition is not what the free market should be all about.

M$'s tactic seems to be to keep the patent infringement issue out there as a scare tactic while privately telling Linux vendors "Hey if you pay us royalties, we won't sue." The Linux vendors cave in because they don't have the $$ to fight M$ in court. Novell has already caved in. I just hope no others do.

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superk

its rubbish. microsoft doesnt hesitate to sue anybody if they can win. the fact they havent puts the truth out there for everybody to see. just because ms has been granted patents, doesnt neccesarily mean that they were right to have been granted patents. Open source projects dont require patents, and therefore many times pass under the radar. Lets say I go code up a sexy little program and open source it.. its a huge hit, microsoft feels its a threat, codes up something similar (or encrypts my code and claims it to be theirs) and patents it.. well... technically its theirs now, because I didnt properly patent my open source software. its a loophole in the system that MS is exploiting. they are no better than con-men. to say that its business practice is an understatement. business practice is to undermine and demean the competetion, not attempt to convince the general public that using competition is illegal! He should be sued for defamation of OSS character and noise pollution (because he is polluting our atmosphere with bullcrap)

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Choggs396

Ah, I see what you're saying. If that is truly the case(s), then I'm certainly displeased with some of their practices. Thanks for expressing your viewpoint in a more fair and logical manner.

EDIT: I hadn't heard about the Novell deal, but I'll be sure to look into it.

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