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gex80 · 07-04-09

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Originally Posted by Kryten

Linux is free, though. And open source, like it's included browser, Firefox.

The top and bottom of it is quite simple: Americans seem confused about who's actually to blame here. The answer is very simple; Microsoft.

They have it well within their power to offer several browsers with their european versions, instead, they plan to cut it.

Wow good way to blame a country.

You obviously have no clue about anything do you? IE is free just like firefox, opera, and many other browsers. Users have the choice to use these different browsers.

Hey guess what? I'm using firefox to type this response to your idiotic ramblings that make no sense what so ever.

How is packaging IE with windows forcing the user to use IE? Maybe for that 1-2 minutes it take to download a new browser.

Ok matter of fact I see your point Kryten. It's illegal for MS to force people to use IE for 1 minute of their whole life. How dare MS make me use IE to download firefox? How dare MS not include something made by someone else with their product?

I also have a bone to pick with hp/dell/ compaq/ asus/gateway/emachines/packard bell/System max/ Cyber power for only including one AV program trial pre-installed. I mean like I shouldn't be forced to use norton/trend micro which came on the PC. Whoa is me if I ever have take the time and buy/download the product I want.

I should sue Norton for not giving me the choice to use Kaspersky/AVG/ NOD32/ Avira/(insert AV)

Kryten you are absolutely right!(if you fail to sense the horrendous amount of sarcasm in my post, you should just turn off your computer permanently.)

Also it's stupid to bundle someone elsee's product with your because people will call you with their problems.Who do you think a customer will blame for firefox/opera/seamonkey for it not working correctly? They are gonna blame MS.

The Pook · 07-04-09

They need to not include a browser. **** the EU.

I buy a Chevy ... so I sue Chevy because they included the 4.3L V6 and didn't offer me Ford's 4.9L I6? Ghey.

Tinboy · 07-04-09

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I've also never understood this monopoly crap either. How can you outlaw a monopoly in a capitalist society?

Because it's bad for the consumer, i.e. you! If a company owns a market, they no longer have to try to make a better product, everyone has to buy there product anyway. And they are able to ask any price they want, it's not like you have a choice do you? So with a monopoly prices go up quality goes down.

The other part of a monopoly is, that it gives the company with the monopoly position the power to kill of any potential competitor. So someone with a better product doesn't stand a chance of getting it to the market. That is bad for capitalism.

This is a very general view on monopoly positions, just to point out why there are laws against it. The MS IE thing is a little diverent, however the general idea still applies. I'm not saying MS isn't trying to improve Windows, MS would just try allot harder if there market share droped below 50%. Windows will be improved or the competitors push MS out of the market, because they have a better/cheaper product. Either way, the consumer gets a better/cheaper product.

bomfunk · 07-04-09

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You obviously have no clue about anything do you? IE is free just like firefox, opera, and many other browsers. Users have the choice to use these different browsers.

NO, NO, NO IT IS NOT.

Firefox and many others are open source; while IE and Opera are free as in gratis, free of charge, it is *not* free as in libre, completely free to use.

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How is packaging IE with windows forcing the user to use IE? Maybe for that 1-2 minutes it take to download a new browser.

How many people know of any other browsers out there, and how many of those few that do can actually - and will be bothered - to download and install one?

jameschisholm · 07-04-09

I think this is silly to be honest, and it's not really M$'s fault but the EU's rulings for not allowing the inclusion of IE, and it may annoy a lot of Europeans because Windows 7 is marketed as "out of the box ready to go, energize your life", seems to be a swift kick to the plums for M$.

Dismounted · 07-04-09

What about my good friend Notepad, or Calculator? I reckon they have a pretty good monopoly on the "market" as well...

Kryten · 07-04-09

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Originally Posted by gex80

Wow good way to blame a country.

You obviously have no clue about anything do you? IE is free just like firefox, opera, and many other browsers. Users have the choice to use these different browsers.

Hey guess what? I'm using firefox to type this response to your idiotic ramblings that make no sense what so ever.

How is packaging IE with windows forcing the user to use IE? Maybe for that 1-2 minutes it take to download a new browser.

Ok matter of fact I see your point Kryten. It's illegal for MS to force people to use IE for 1 minute of their whole life. How dare MS make me use IE to download firefox? How dare MS not include something made by someone else with their product?

I also have a bone to pick with hp/dell/ compaq/ asus/gateway/emachines/packard bell/System max/ Cyber power for only including one AV program trial pre-installed. I mean like I shouldn't be forced to use norton/trend micro which came on the PC. Whoa is me if I ever have take the time and buy/download the product I want.

I should sue Norton for not giving me the choice to use Kaspersky/AVG/ NOD32/ Avira/(insert AV)

Kryten you are absolutely right!(if you fail to sense the horrendous amount of sarcasm in my post, you should just turn off your computer permanently.)

Also it's stupid to bundle someone elsee's product with your because people will call you with their problems.Who do you think a customer will blame for firefox/opera/seamonkey for it not working correctly? They are gonna blame MS.

I'm not confused about anything, it seems to me that only Americans seem to think this is the EU's fault. When it's not, it's the guys at Opera's "fault" and really, it's Microsoft's fault they're being awkward over including browsers. They've been sued for not giving people the option to use a different browser, so to drag their feet, they're simply removing all browsers. Petty and lame.

You're a saracastic fail, my friend.

quakermaas · 07-04-09

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Originally Posted by RaBidRaBit

The way I see it the way that people use computers has changed drastically over the years. The average home computer probably gets used to browse the internet more than any other task. With "cloud computing" on the rise that trend is likely to increase. With that in mind it only seems logical that an internet browser be included with an OS. I'm not really sure why the EU got its' feathers ruffled over this.

Why doesn't the EU have a problem with Windows Media Player, Windows DVD Maker, or even the calculator program being bundled with windows? There are competing programs for all of those as well.

One solution would be for MS to offer two versions of Windows to Europe. One with no browser, and another with a browser included for people that don't like to mail-order their software. Surely the EU isn't against letting people decide for themselves. I would hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_v._Microsoft

my94r/t · 07-04-09

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Originally Posted by Kryten

I'm not confused about anything, it seems to me that only Americans seem to think this is the EU's fault. When it's not, it's the guys at Opera's "fault" and really, it's Microsoft's fault they're being awkward over including browsers. They've been sued for not giving people the option to use a different browser, so to drag their feet, they're simply removing all browsers. Petty and lame.

You're a saracastic fail, my friend.

No company should ever be forced to include a competitor's product in theirs. End of story.

This is not 100% the EU's fault; some blame needs to be put on Opera and the other browsers for not advertising their products to allow for competition.

If you don't advertise, no one will know who you are. If you want to beat MS in the browser market, this is the perfect opportunity. An operating system with no included browser forces consumers to choose. If they choose IE8, then the others have no one to blame but themselves.

Nautilus · 07-04-09

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Have they made Mac or Linux do this?

I don't know about Mac but you can't say Linux has a monopoly on browsers because in Linux operating systems users are free to choose which browser they want.

Lots of Linux distros (especially my favourite SuSe) give users the option of choosing packages they want during installation. You can simply choose among Konqueror,Mozilla Firefox,Epiphany,Kazehakase,Seamonkey,Skipstone, Camino etc... as your default web browser or install them all.

Even small distos, which don't let users to choose packages during installation, always include 2 or more Web Browsers.

EDIT: Oh and i agree with EU and their blocking American companies' (so far Intel and Microsoft) unfair politics.

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