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Old 06-30-09   #61 (permalink)
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You could also browse FTP sites using an FTP client, which is still integrated into Windows (write ftp in run).
Seeing as I didn't know about this, I'd guess at least 95% of all users don't either.
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Seeing as I didn't know about this, I'd guess at least 95% of all users don't either.
Make that 99%. I don't know any other than some of my tech friends who knows this.

I'm sure Microsoft will make it well-documented though if it turns out to be like this.
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This is pathetic....I h8 eu...
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The EU said Microsoft has a monopoly on browsers, and cannot offer its own browser with its own operating system.
The EU is a pile of total crap!

The EU is the court that gives rapists and murderers human rights and insists that everyone and anyone has a right to live where they bloody well like...

I want IE bundled with Win7!

I think MS has the Monopoly on Operating Systems as well, what are you going to do EU? BAN WINDOWS?
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I think that the EU view on the term monopoly is flawed. When I think of a monopoly as being illegal, I envision a company buying up competitors in their field forcing consumers to choose between a controlled amount of products.

When there are multiple competitors each making their own product and one of the companies product (IE) has a higher market share due to no other reason than more people choosing to use it (which is the situation now), then I don't consider that an illegal monopoly.
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If I get windows 7, I will be getting the EU version. I despise extra BS I'll never use, and IE is at the top of that list.

It's a very simple matter for me to put the Opera or Firefox installers on a flash drive.



I wouldn't be caught dead using Steam, or explorer's built in FTP (the command line ftp is an exception).
What is it with you people?

Steam requires IE in order to make use of it's component to display web-pages and such. If IE is not present on the operating system AT ALL then it means that the likes of STEAM won't function correctly at all. In fact I would imagine that there would be a bunch of nasty errors all over the place.

The choice of using FTP should instantly be disregarded because can you really imagine the average joe user making use of an FTP connection to get hold of a browser?

Windows' built in FTP browser is also powered by IE 8 so that's only going to cause problems.

As for going around it and using a flash drive to add your own browser, by all means, do so; try not to forget however that not entirely everyone is going to have the ability to pull that off. Not everyone is going to have a second computer or access to another machine with a broadband connection in order to get hold of a copy of such a third-party browser.

People really should start taking into consideration as to how much of a problem this really is.

For me, it's just a little hard to believe Microsoft will fall into such bull****. I'm hoping that as of right now, their best lawyers are in the process of figuring this out.
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So wait, you need a browser to get a browser?
You're late to the party, smarty.
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I say develop a very stripped-down open-source browser that works for say...3 months, with the homepage always being a website reminding you to download a browser, and having links to some of the more popular ones (IE8, FF, Chrome, Opera). That would be my solution.

Also, don't include flash or javascript support in the browser by default, so they will feel compelled to download a new operating system.
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I want my mcdonalds burger with my burger king fries! Someone get the eu over here!
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Surely, the solution to this issue is for MS to provide a range of browsers, such as IE8, FF and Opera, or whatever will make the EU happy. True, this will take up a little bit of extra space on the disk, but I'm sure they could easily be stripped down to save space, then whichever browser(s) the user chooses, is re-built via windows update.
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