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Old 07-01-09   #71 (permalink)
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Surely, the solution to this issue is for MS to provide a range of browsers, such as IE8, FF and Opera, or whatever will make the EU happy. True, this will take up a little bit of extra space on the disk, but I'm sure they could easily be stripped down to save space, then whichever browser(s) the user chooses, is re-built via windows update.
I would consider this to be the direction in which the EU wants Microsoft to go, however like somebody said earlier; it's ludicrous that a large corporation such as MS has to add or incorporate products from their competitors. :S
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Forcing one company to give out its competitor's products is even more anti-competition than monopoly, its insane. Why don't they just force MS to give users the option of installing Windows, Linux or OSX on the Windows disc because MS seem to also have a monpoly on the OS market. And to think they are not forcing Apple to ship with IE.
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Maybe the EU doesn't want their people to use the internet.

Or maybe they just like pretending to fight big companies.

Either way this was a pretty damn stupid choice on their part.
No.

Both antitrust cases have been proper.

The stupid part was MS deciding to remove IE8 from Win7 and not include a viable way of using the frigging internet. They should've just included a CD with various browsers on it and the problem is sorted. But no, MS decide to be tools and not include anything and all of a sudden it's the EU's fault? The EU didn't say "you can't include any browser at all"
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Forcing one company to give out its competitor's products is even more anti-competition than monopoly, its insane. Why don't they just force MS to give users the option of installing Windows, Linux or OSX on the Windows disc because MS seem to also have a monpoly on the OS market. And to think they are not forcing Apple to ship with IE.
You've completely missed the point of the EU ruling. By only offering one browser, the average Joe has no choice in which browser to use, ie, monopoly.

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I would consider this to be the direction in which the EU wants Microsoft to go, however like somebody said earlier; it's ludicrous that a large corporation such as MS has to add or incorporate products from their competitors. :S
Well, it's either offer a choice, or offer no browser at all and face a massive backlash from non-tech-savvy consumers unable to get on the internet. No reason why they can't make IE8 seem like the best choice at the browser option menu - simply have IE8 as the default choice, but to change the browser, you must click a 'More' button or something, so the average user will just press next.
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You've completely missed the point of the EU ruling. By only offering one browser, the average Joe has no choice in which browser to use, ie, monopoly.
Maybe we should fine the average joe for being so ignorant then
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You've completely missed the point of the EU ruling. By only offering one browser, the average Joe has no choice in which browser to use, ie, monopoly.
That is like telling Linux they have to include IE with their distributions because it's unfair to Microsoft that they aren't including their browser. Thus causing Microsoft to unfairly lose ground in the Linux browser market.

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By only offering one browser, the average Joe has no choice in which browser to use, ie, monopoly.
The problem with saying that is that it just isn't true.
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That is like telling Linux they have to include IE with their distributions because it's unfair to Microsoft that they aren't including their browser. Thus causing Microsoft to unfairly lose ground in the Linux browser market.
Linux is free, though. And open source, like it's included browser, Firefox.

The top and bottom of it is quite simple: Americans seem confused about who's actually to blame here. The answer is very simple; Microsoft.

They have it well within their power to offer several browsers with their european versions, instead, they plan to cut it.
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You've completely missed the point of the EU ruling. By only offering one browser, the average Joe has no choice in which browser to use, ie, monopoly.
That is just not true. Its called downloading a browser. I guess they need force MS to remove WMP since it Windows only comes with one media player.... (or did they do that already?)
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That is just not true. Its called downloading a browser. I guess they need force MS to remove WMP since it Windows only comes with one media player.... (or did they do that already?)
You're missing the point. Why IE was removed in the first place is because it was purely integrated into the system. IE was a huge magnet for security holes - go look at exploit database sites, you'll find TONS of them. If a user can't choose to opt out of getting hacked by a faulty browser then it's definitely a case of antitrust.

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