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Manyak · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Grim

oic ^_^

But, you know- if people really saw the potential of LINUX - to a trained work force.
The potential PRODUCTIVITY to be had from having 500 nixers, they'd incorporate programs to train them how to use it!
You dont have to change all of the workstations to Linux in one sweep!
Simmilar challenges were faced when changing from Windows 3.1 to 95 in the past!
For that matter, there are many people who arent very tech savvy, but are employed, and trained to use WINDOZE, by inter-organizational programs.
Is one to believe that this couldnt be done where Linux is concerned?

You mentioned $. In having an org switch to linux.
If the workforce were linux users, and for some reason, the organization decided to switch to windows - it WOULD cost as well. In fact, I dare say, going to windows would cost significantly MORE (of course, there is the fact that in the real world scenario, people are most disposed to using windoze), but you see my point:
Such a change over, gradual or immediate, is going to cost. The principle is how much productivity is going to be gained in the long run.

I think you'll acknowledge my point here - but you have to be precise when you use the term "BETTER FOR THE JOB".

Why does it save you more money?
Because of its nature as an OS? Or because more people have been brought knowing nothing but windoze?

Here's a nice example for you.

You are asked to get a website for a hospital up and running within a year, and they are prepared to pay you $400,000 to get it done (including creating the website and buying servers for the hospital to host it). They need a bunch of services running on it, such as EMR hosting for doctors (linked to the internal database), so it ends up big enough that you can't program it on your own. So you go out and look for web design companies that you can hire. After getting preliminary designs from 20 or so companies, there are only two that you think would fit the bill. The first company's biggest strength is PHP and wants to charge $300,000. The second one's strength is in .NET and wants to charge $100,000. Assuming the sites are both programmed properly, is running the website on Linux really worth $200,000 out of your pocket?

In this case Windows doesn't save you money because it's nature as an OS is better, nor does it do it because the people using it are ignorant to linux. It's simply because it lets you buy a cheaper website.

Grim · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon

I'm not sure I agree that every option cannot be wrapped into a GUI. Clearly not every option IS wrapped into a GUI, but that doesn't mean they can't be GUI'ed up.

Yes certainly they can. but they never will be, because of how much there is on average!
To clarify, what is meant is that, it would be IMPRACTICAL, and effectively impossible to do so.
For the myriad of data variables that can be configured within an OS, cannot be fit seamlessly into prompts! Its just too much.
If you can appreciate that, then you can understand why windows, which really has no command line (I dont even know what to call their "emulation") controll over itself as an OS, has in this area, a distinct disadvantage in comparison to linux.

Wikipedia has a pretty good write-up on DLL Hell.[/quote]

Thanks!

---EDIT---
I read this vulcan! - this is just supporting what I'm saying about windoze's approach on dependency handling!

caraboose · 4 Weeks Ago

Oh yes, DreamSpark, what a piece of chicken dung. My school wont get recognized even with my IT guy emailing them and all they still say no.

Grim · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by caraboose

Oh yes, DreamSpark, what a piece of chicken dung. My school wont get recognized even with my IT guy emailing them and all they still say no.

hm!
do they give a reason?

caraboose · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Grim

hm!
do they give a reason?

They think he's not legit.

*VulcanDragon* · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Manyak

In this case Windows doesn't save you money because it's nature as an OS is better, nor does it do it because the people using it are ignorant to linux. It's simply because it lets you buy a cheaper website.

Wonderful example of the business side of things that pure propeller heads often don't consider, either out of a lack of experience with that side of the equation, or because they just don't care! Business is "boring" to technies, I get that...but it drives the bottom line.

Grim · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Manyak

The second one's strength is in .NET and wants to charge $100,000. Assuming the sites are both programmed properly, is running the website on Linux really worth $200,000 out of your pocket?

In this case Windows doesn't save you money because it's nature as an OS is better, nor does it do it because the people using it are ignorant to linux. It's simply because it lets you buy a cheaper website.

Hey bro. (you know - I totally missed your post up till now - sry)

Check this out:
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

So PHP + .NET can work with linux. In the above stated example - my answer would be a resounding NO.

But alas - Linux is so boundless

Here are the DEVs.
http://www.monodevelop.com/Main_Page

ITS ABSOLUTELY STABLE btw :thumb

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