[PcPro]Secret trade talks take aim at internet piracy - Overclock.net

UnseenRidge · 2 Weeks Ago

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Internet rights campaigners are expressing serious concerns over information leaking out of the controversial Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) negotiations taking place in Korea.
Sources that have seen the leaks say ACTA signatories would have to reinforce copyright enforcement, impose liability for copyright breaches on third parties, such as ISPs, and implement a graduated response rule to cut off repeat copyright offenders.

The agreement would also force signatories to implement anti-circumvention rules to outlaw breaking DRM.

“The internet provisions have nothing to do with addressing counterfeit products, but are all about imposing a set of copyright industry demands on the global internet, including obligations on ISPs to adopt three-strikes internet disconnection policies, and a global expansion of DMCA-style laws.”

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dejanh · 2 Weeks Ago

This agreement has long been in the works, in the back rooms of course out of the eye of the public. I have known of it at least for the last 2-3 years, well before the new American presidency was in place. Quite possibly it was in the works even before that. In any circumstance, I think people are missing the point of how many extremely serious implications this agreement actually has outside of the scope of just Internet piracy and privacy. I am all for stopping internet piracy, but in the right way. Unfortunately, ACTA aims to both effectively transfer judicial powers into the hands of the corporations and to increase government oversight over expression and behavior of pretty much every individual out there.

Passing this agreement would equate to giving up your rights of freedom of speech as the broad reaching scope of the agreement can be easily interpreted to effectively restrict any and all types of behaviors, such as completely silencing independent news outlets, information exchange, and individual opinions. It is rather unnerving how the powers that are in fact know that as long as they disguise this agreement well and keep quiet about it most people will never know or take interest in it until it has become universal law and then the masses will just have to adopt and adapt. It is really time for people to look around what is happening and start voicing their opinions on this and other issues plaguing our society today. Not doing so will invite increasing numbers of repressive measures being passed in silence until we as a society have been deprived of every basic right but to work and eat.

I know that this will probably fall on def ears once again, but I really hope that the moderators of OCN take this seriously and decide not to shut this topic down. They shut it down and in fact outright removed it several years ago, they have done so yesterday, and I truly hope that they do not do the same today. Yes, it is a political problem, but this media is the only media that we have to rally and express our opinions. If you shut us down and shut us out as well there is really no hope that any of us will be able to genuinely speak up against these and other controversial societal reforms. Finally, I just want to urge all of those that would take this kind of stuff as "conspiracy theories" to understand that this is not speculative. ACTA is real, and it is here to stay unless we stop it. At the very least we should minimize the chances of it being adopted as is and/or force it to evolve in line with our freedom of speech and other basic human rights, rights to privacy, and rule of law.

chevymeister · 2 Weeks Ago

Wall of text is wall of text. Btw, love your sig.

I don't even care about voicing my opinion anymore. Anything you do will not stop the grand of things. They happen one way or another. The one with the money wins. There are tons of bad things happening right now such as the vaccination money grab. Why focus on all of it if you are powerless against it.

Urufu_Shinjiro · 2 Weeks Ago

I find this really hard to believe in light of this: http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...ml#post7573863

MAD_J · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by dejanh

This agreement has long been in the works, in the back rooms of course out of the eye of the public. I have known of it at least for the last 2-3 years, well before the new American presidency was in place.

Lots of people I know, know about ACTA it was on dig a long time ago, at least I think thats where I heard about it. Its nothing new. You may think that no one really knows about it, well your wrong its just that no one really cares about it except a few geeks like us.

BeccaLicious · 2 Weeks Ago

If torrent sites go pasword only and DRM their .torrent files, would the music industry be arrested for breaking the DRM on those files? No, thought not. - cheysuli

dejanh · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by chevymeister

Wall of text is wall of text. Btw, love your sig.

I don't even care about voicing my opinion anymore. Anything you do will not stop the grand of things. They happen one way or another. The one with the money wins. There are tons of bad things happening right now such as the vaccination money grab. Why focus on all of it if you are powerless against it.

Thanks

On topic, yes, what you are saying is the unfortunate growing sentiment of majority of the population. When you see fiascoes such as elected officials switching parties and policies after they have been elected without any possible recourse against them, as you mentioned the vaccination money grabs, etc., it really gives you this feeling of despair. Unfortunately this also happens to be the case of "Damocles sword". If people do not speak up and/or decide to boycott voting special interest groups get their way automatically. If people are aware and do speak up, and do vote the special interest groups will still get their way but the usually (a) they have to make some compromises and (b) other people follow creating sort of a "critical mass" behind the movement that may have a bigger impact over time.

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Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

I find this really hard to believe in light of this: http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...ml#post7573863

ACTA is not law yet. It is an agenda that is being pushed by some really heavy weight lobbyists and special interests groups. The reality is that ACTA may just burn up on its own, however I do not think that it is a good idea to just plain chance-it.

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Originally Posted by MAD_J

Lots of people I know, know about ACTA it was on dig a long time ago, at least I think thats where I heard about it. Its nothing new. You may think that no one really knows about it, well your wrong its just that no one really cares about it except a few geeks like us.

That is the unfortunate truth. Most of the society thinks that somehow this is out of their realm of interest or concern and they genuinely do not know or have ever heard or wanted to hear about ACTA. They will definitely not be sharing that sentiment when they start crossing borders and their notebooks, music players, and other stuff gets seized indefinitely and without reason or cause, or worse yet get silenced for expressing the smallest bit of dissatisfaction with the state of affairs.

Lots of people forget that this really is not about Internet piracy. It's significantly broader spectrum, much too broad to be discussed here. I agree that Internet piracy has to be controlled (realistically it can never be eradicated, hence the use of word controlled) but like I said in my original post, it has to be done in a socially conscious way that does not interfere with our basic human rights.

chevymeister · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by dejanh

Thanks

On topic, yes, what you are saying is the unfortunate growing sentiment of majority of the population. When you see fiascoes such as elected officials switching parties and policies after they have been elected without any possible recourse against them, as you mentioned the vaccination money grabs, etc., it really gives you this feeling of despair. Unfortunately this also happens to be the case of "Damocles sword". If people do not speak up and/or decide to boycott voting special interest groups get their way automatically. If people are aware and do speak up, and do vote the special interest groups will still get their way but the usually (a) they have to make some compromises and (b) other people follow creating sort of a "critical mass" behind the movement that may have a bigger impact over time.

ACTA is not law yet. It is an agenda that is being pushed by some really heavy weight lobbyists and special interests groups. The reality is that ACTA may just burn up on its own, however I do not think that it is a good idea to just plain chance-it.

That is the unfortunate truth. Most of the society thinks that somehow this is out of their realm of interest or concern and they genuinely do not know or have ever heard or wanted to hear about ACTA. They will definitely not be sharing that sentiment when they start crossing borders and their notebooks, music players, and other stuff gets seized indefinitely and without reason or cause, or worse yet get silenced for expressing the smallest bit of dissatisfaction with the state of affairs.

Lots of people forget that this really is not about Internet piracy. It's significantly broader spectrum, much too broad to be discussed here. I agree that Internet piracy has to be controlled (realistically it can never be eradicated, hence the use of word controlled) but like I said in my original post, it has to be done in a socially conscious way that does not interfere with our basic human rights.

That's the scariest thing about this ordeal. You uprise and all of a sudden you are confined and deemed a terrorist.

Mygaffer · 2 Weeks Ago

ACTA is a very scary treaty that if ratified becomes US law. How many of us here want that? I know I don't and I'll be communicating that to my elected officials.

takealready · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by chevymeister

That's the scariest thing about this ordeal. You uprise and all of a sudden you are confined and deemed a terrorist.

True

That's the new term for anyone that opposes any form of "government". It doesn't shock me as to how selfish that politicians/major organizations have become. What still shocks me is how when people find out about the true intension's of politicians and major organizations, they do nothing. But yet, they can rally about "gun control", there water bill rising by $1 and other superficial things. But yet when something like there own right to speak there mind is going to be punished by jail time and/or major fines...they say/do nothing.

My parents come from martinique and they are always reminding me of how America is the only major nation in the world that likes there rights being taken away. Yet every other 1st world country soon as something like "a persons right to freedom of speech", there is a riot in the streets the next morning. And that riot will remain until politicians understand that the people won't stand for it (which is somewhat true. Look at all the riots in Europe that have taken place in the past two years).

In a way I wonder if these special interest groups know that they always have conflicting interests. And that they will still fall victim to another special interest groups "regulations".

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