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Originally Posted by nathris;13279691 
I tried out Fedora and Debian, but they aren't designed for single user environments, so you have to jump through hoops if you want to get anything serious done. You'll find you have less control over your OS than you would like. I actually found them more difficult than Arch, since in Arch everything is clear and unambiguous and nothing can compare to pacman.

I can't even read that with a straight face.
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I can't even read that with a straight face.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nathris;13279691 
You know you don't have to update Arch right?

I only do it for bug fixes and major releases. For the most part all of the update will just "work". The only ones you have to watch out for are new releases of xorg and whatever distro you use, since they can break driver compatibility.

Eh, kind of defeats the purpose of rolling release. The packages that were most prone to breaking (ghc, xorg, etc) I have blocked from updating, but I really don't have time to always check if packages are going to play nicely together or not.

@blue_k,

After a bit of reading, Slackware seems like the best fit. I think package management is the only thing that has me wary; are you using swaret/checkinstall, or something else?
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If you're looking for something easier than Arch it isn't slackware. With slack you have to check every package anyway, since you have to manage dependencies yourself.
    
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Thats why I was asking about swaret, which is supposed to handle dependencies. Does anyone know how reliable it is compared to Pacman/Aptitude/yum?
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post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Prolog;13272771 
I've been looking at Debian and Fedora primarily (Slackware too, but I haven't done any research on it). To any *BSD users, how difficult/involved is it to maintain a system after the initial install? (I very briefly tried FreeBSD, I really liked using Ports, but opted for Arch as it was an easier option at the time)

FreeBSD isn't so much different from Arch in actual maintenance. It isn't rolling release of course. If you have an experience with Arch or Slack you'll feel right at home.

You also don't have to use ports (if you don't want to) pkg_add -r [packagename] will usually do the trick.

As a heads up though (dunno how much you care) flash is nat so good in BSD.

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as always i'll recommend gentoo but that sounds like the exact opposite of what you want. drunken.gif

in my experience fedora is 'stabler' than ubuntu.. ubuntu pulse audio = FAIL
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You really can't go wrong with Slackware, it's the oldest living distro so it's obviously doing something right. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Prolog;13283935 
Thats why I was asking about swaret, which is supposed to handle dependencies. Does anyone know how reliable it is compared to Pacman/Aptitude/yum?

Greetz
I have been using Slackware as my main system for over 10 years and have tried fairly intensively to stay up on some 2 dozen distros, including both Red Hat and Debian derivatives. I have boxes here still running v10.2 with updated kernels and this one runs v13.37 (Current) as does my Quake and Minecraft server box. While I have considerable respect for other distros imho none compare to Slackware and FWIW since you mentioned BSD, Slack has the most BSD like structure and original type package management system.

Personally I hate Swaret and see no value in it whatsoever other than bad, especially because it just isn't needed. First of all you download an entire DVD's worth of system and apps that are altered as little as possible depending primarily on choosing versions
that work best with the system so it is as vanilla as possible and most stuff people want is already on the DVD and guaranteed to work. The way to go for adding stuff not on the DVD is SlackBuilds since Checkinstall no longer works with Slack (and many other distros too since development has fallen way behind) and besides SlackBuilds do it better.

I don't have to maintain anything because there are no required or highly recommended updates and it has always been bedrock solid and super fast. I could rave on and usually do but this time I won't. Anyone with more than a passing interest in Slackware should just install it and try to resist mongrelizing it by trying to turn it into your last distro for a month or two so you can see that all this ridiculous FUD about dependency management is just hot air from people who also heard it but never actually experienced it.

Bottom line - there is an extremely adept and helpful community as well as an Online SlackBook and I would personally help you for what few and minor obstacles you may encounter. With hard drive real estate so cheap just install it and try it. Don't guess or listen to others that guess.
My Twapence... hope it helps you get exactly what you want.
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