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You really need a better cooler before you OC. 61c is quite much for AMD chips.

The stock cooler is pretty bad on athlons.

Also about the .010v thing in your BIOS: they might show an increase of .01v over the regular voltage. Can't say for sure before you post more info or pics.
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There's more of a difference than JUST the L3 cache. That extra cache also increases the TDP of the chip from 95w to 125w or more.

That dinky little stock cooler you have isn't good enough for the Athlon at bone stock without the L3 cache. You really should replace that cooler with anything better (even a Phenom II stock cooler).

And the 630 is also a native Deneb core (some are). Just like the 620. The 620 = 630, they are the same chip, just with a one higher multiplier. The 640 was the first Athlon quad to NEVER come with the L3 cache, I have yet to see an unlock on a 640.

But its still a gamble. Some have L3, some do not. Some are stable with it, some are not. Depends on your luck.

If you have a successful unlock, then you could have a very good chip. Mine could unlock and do 4.0GHz. My second one was a native Propus (no L3 at all), and could only pull 3.7GHz.
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Oh, and with the Phenom II and Athlon II's, you want temperatures BELOW 55*C to keep it safe. 61*C is too hot.
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You can upgrade to a high performance cpu cooler, there are a lot out there designed to fit in a SFF case. Even the stock from phenoms, after some lapping, performs pretty good for athlons, since these have lower TDP.

You have a lucky chip, maybe it can hit 4.0GHz with a proper cooling setup
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Originally Posted by Andr3az View Post
You really need a better cooler before you OC. 61c is quite much for AMD chips.

The stock cooler is pretty bad on athlons.

Also about the .010v thing in your BIOS: they might show an increase of .01v over the regular voltage. Can't say for sure before you post more info or pics.
I wrote a more detailed response about temps to pioneerisloud in this post.

I wrote down the voltage of everything in the bios, just in case. I watched everything for a solid minute to mark the changes in voltages that occur.

CPU Vcore - 1.344v to 1.352V
3.3v - 3.280
5v - 4.970
12v - 12.144 to 12.052

Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
There's more of a difference than JUST the L3 cache. That extra cache also increases the TDP of the chip from 95w to 125w or more.
So enabling the cache turned it into a 125w proc. I checked my motherboard on MSI and the highest it supports is a Phenom II, and that apparently means Phenom II dual core and X4 procs. But apparently it only supports the 95watt versions according to this chart.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/785GM-...div=CPUSupport

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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
That dinky little stock cooler you have isn't good enough for the Athlon at bone stock without the L3 cache. You really should replace that cooler with anything better (even a Phenom II stock cooler).
I've been convinced, what would you recommend ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
And the 630 is also a native Deneb core (some are). Just like the 620. The 620 = 630, they are the same chip, just with a one higher multiplier. The 640 was the first Athlon quad to NEVER come with the L3 cache, I have yet to see an unlock on a 640.

But its still a gamble. Some have L3, some do not. Some are stable with it, some are not. Depends on your luck.

If you have a successful unlock, then you could have a very good chip. Mine could unlock and do 4.0GHz. My second one was a native Propus (no L3 at all), and could only pull 3.7GHz.
That's the exact information I was looking for, thank you. So the fact that a L3 cache did appear means it is a lucky chip and the Propus core is just an electronic label and not it's true design. So if it appears it can't possibly be an error as CPU-Z tests the actual processor and not other things that indicate what it's looking for which could be false. I guess I misread that the other 620/630's would show up as a different design so hence the confusion.

Also, I already had ACC on in the bios, L3 Cache didn't appear, It appeared when I enabled "Enable CPU Core Unlock".


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Oh, and with the Phenom II and Athlon II's, you want temperatures BELOW 55*C to keep it safe. 61*C is too hot.
After I reset the heatsink and ran Prime95 It maxed at 66, only had prime 95 running for 3 minutes. So I immediately stopped Prime95 and realized I can't run it at anywhere near full load since the heatsink reset until I have a better cooling solution.

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Originally Posted by otaku_ex View Post
You can upgrade to a high performance cpu cooler, there are a lot out there designed to fit in a SFF case. Even the stock from phenoms, after some lapping, performs pretty good for athlons, since these have lower TDP.

You have a lucky chip, maybe it can hit 4.0GHz with a proper cooling setup
What cooling solution do you recommend ?


+rep to everyone in this tread btw.
Edited by Ascii Aficionado - 4/26/11 at 1:08pm
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Quote:
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I wrote down the voltage of everything in the bios, just in case. I watched everything for a solid minute to mark the changes in voltages that occur.

CPU Vcore - 1.344v to 1.352V
3.3v - 3.280
5v - 4.970
12v - 12.144 to 12.052

With 1.35v, you should be able to reach somewhere in the realm of 3.3-3.5GHz. Just as a rough estimate. Maybe more, maybe less.

So enabling the cache turned it into a 125w proc. I checked my motherboard on MSI and the highest it supports is a Phenom II, and that apparently means Phenom II dual core and X4 procs. But apparently it only supports the 95watt versions according to this chart.

Yes, that is correct. Enabling the L3 cache has brought your TDP up from 95w to at LEAST 125w. Maybe more if your chip requires it to keep stable with the L3. You can't have a full out 125w Phenom II (which is what the locked Athlon quads are), and have less TDP. It just doesn't work that way. The 95w TDP from the Athlon quad is assuming it is at 100% bone stock settings. Unlocking cache and overclocking will both raise that TDP. You could easily get that chip to pull 150-160w with a L3 unlock and a serious overclock on it.

I've been convinced, what would you recommend ?

The CoolerMaster 212+ is a solid budget cooler. Same with the Xigmatek S1283 (and its variants). Both are some of the best budget coolers you'll find out there, and they're about $30-40 or so. For the record, my Xiggy took both of my Athlons to 1.60v stable (above recommended voltage limits for 24/7 use), and kept temps below 50*C under a full load.

If you need something smaller, then I'm honestly not sure what exactly to recommend. Maybe a Corsair H50 perhaps (about $50-60)?


That's the exact information I was looking for, thank you. So the fact that a L3 cache did appear means it is a lucky chip and the Propus core is just an electronic label and not it's true design. I guess I misread that the other 620/630's would show up as a different design so hence the confusion.

The fact that the L3 cache is there, does in fact mean you have a lucky chip. Not to rain on your parade, but there were thousands of those made. But there were thousands more made that were in fact, native Propus with no L3 cache. As of right now, its about a 40/60 (roughly) luck of the draw, with 40% being your chances of finding a native Deneb. And again, that's just my personal rough guess, its probably much less than that. The native Deneb chips (with L3) stopped being produced as soon as the Propus core was released a few months later.

Yours is a native Deneb core. So yes, for YOUR chip...the Propus name is just a name because that's what AMD wants your motherboard to think it is. They don't want you to know about the free performance upgrade. So any chips that have the L3 disabled, will be labeled as Propus...as they are no different than a completely native Propus. No L3 = Propus. L3 = Deneb. It's just a name really.



After I reset the heatsink and ran Prime95 It maxed at 66, only had prime 95 running for 3 minutes. So I immediately stopped Prime95 and realized I can't run it at anywhere near full load since the heatsink reset until I have a better cooling solution.

What cooling solution do you recommend ?

See my recommendation above.
Answers in red.

Oh, and one thing you COULD try, is lowering your vcore to keep temps under control. Both of my 630's could do 1.20v for 3.0GHz. Something you could tinker with. Just make sure you test stability fully (12 hours Prime 95 blended, forcing 3/4 memory usage). If temps get over 60, stop it. Anything over 55*C can cause instability.
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yeah way too hot right now. you are not supposed to reseat the heatsink unless you have new paste to put on it.
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This help has been great so far. I'm now actually not willing to game on this until I get one of those cooling solutions that were recommended which makes me sad since my 560 Ti Hawk is arriving Thursday.

I've decided on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...aster%20212%2b as I see no reason not to get it, Is the thermal compound it comes with worth it or should I spring $10 for the Arcitc Silver 5 ?

I do own all 3 current consoles so I guess I can game on those for a week while I wait on the new heatsink/fan.

In regards to me being lucky, I wasn't thinking I was special, I meant that there's no way for it to be a false positive so it is what it is and I should enjoy the fact that I came across this today.

Also, how do I monitor temps with the L3 cache enabled ? if I can't that means I'd simply have to disable it, OC, then test for stable temps. then once it's obtained I could enable L3, but plan ahead and expect the temp to raise because of that.

Also wondering if the Mobo itself only supports 95watt procs would the TDP increase damage it ?

Rep has been sent since every response was helpful.
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The grease that comes with it is okay. Roughly the same as AS5 from my experience personally. It's nothing great, but it works. Make sure you apply the grease like shown below:



That tends to give the best temperatures with the HDT coolers.

To monitor temps, you should still have the CPU temps, but no core temps. So monitor the temps without the unlock. Make note of how far off the core temps are from the CPU temps. Then just watch your CPU temps after the unlock.
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I need to stop my habit of editing posts, I ask things that aren't seen, can you please re-read the post I made above :/
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