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Still a valid point don't you think though?

Anyways, whats the release date for Llano again?
No.

Release date is June 20th.
    
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HAHA. Nice try dude but the truth hurts. When these Intel guys see AMD beating their "CPU" brand they all cry foul and declare it "fake" or not "fair", but when they have the chance to put down AMD, they all flaunt hyperthreading is better, x-threads vs x-threads. What a bunch of BS, IMO. I'm calling out the Intel fanboys and they just don't like it, and it is funny!!
And so what? I dont believe Hyperthreading is worth the extra charge from a 2500k to 2600k.

Just accept that in some cases, Hyperthreading may be a hindrance, just the same as AMD sticking more and more K10.5 cores together just to keep up with Intel's Dual Core i3 2100. =P

Yes. I did compare the Phenom II 945 with an i3 2100. Deal with it.
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And so what? I dont believe Hyperthreading is worth the extra charge from a 2500k to 2600k.

Just accept that in some cases, Hyperthreading may be a hindrance, just the same as AMD sticking more and more K10.5 cores together just to keep up with Intel's Dual Core i3 2100. =P

Yes. I did compare the Phenom II 945 with an i3 2100. Deal with it.
It's worth it if you use multi-threaded apps or fold. Also, the main problem with the 2100 is that you can't over-clock. I'm not gonna buy a processor that I can't tweak. And obviously if you OC the cores and CPU-NB on a Phenom II X4 it's gonna come out ahead by a significant amount.
    
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And so what? I dont believe Hyperthreading is worth the extra charge from a 2500k to 2600k.

Just accept that in some cases, Hyperthreading may be a hindrance, just the same as AMD sticking more and more K10.5 cores together just to keep up with Intel's Dual Core i3 2100. =P

Yes. I did compare the Phenom II 945 with an i3 2100. Deal with it.
AND......you just proved my point. Older AMD cpu vs Newer Intel cpu, just to make yourself feel better. Yer starting to sound like Charlie Sheen. "Winning!"

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It's worth it if you use multi-threaded apps or fold. Also, the main problem with the 2100 is that you can't over-clock. I'm not gonna buy a processor that I can't tweak. And obviously if you OC the cores and CPU-NB on a Phenom II X4 it's gonna come out ahead by a significant amount.
Oh I agree here, more threads for folding would be nice, so I hope the 8-core BD cpu kills SMP folding.
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It's worth it if you use multi-threaded apps or fold. Also, the main problem with the 2100 is that you can't over-clock. I'm not gonna buy a processor that I can't tweak. And obviously if you OC the cores and CPU-NB on a Phenom II X4 it's gonna come out ahead by a significant amount.
True, but consider the price you'd have to pay for a decent 6+2 phase overclocking motherboard for AMD over an Intel H67. And then there's the power consumption after overclocking. =P



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AND......you just proved my point. Older AMD cpu vs Newer Intel cpu, just to make yourself feel better. Yer starting to sound like Charlie Sheen. "Winning!"
Older or newer. The fact the architecture is still being used for "newer" AMD CPUs and is still in production, (going into Llano with minor tweaks and compounded with an integrated 5570.) makes what ever your point was moot.
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True, but consider the price you'd have to pay for a decent 6+2 phase overclocking motherboard for AMD over an Intel H67. And then there's the power consumption after overclocking. =P





Older or newer. The fact the architecture is still being used for "newer" AMD CPUs and is still in production, (going into Llano with minor tweaks and compounded with an integrated 5570.) makes what ever your point was moot.
The ASUS M4N75TD, an 8+1 phase motherboard that's a very good over-clocker and supports multiple GPUs, costs $95. A decent H67 motherboard costs, what, $90... With the Phenom II X4 925 being available at $115, I just see no point in the Core i3.

You could use the power consumption argument for any microprocessor. When you over-clock ANYTHING, even your phone's CPU, you'll have higher power consumption. But you do it because you want higher performance, right?
    
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Awwww. Intel's SB running hyperthreading gets waxed because superPI sees "8 threads" and loads it up as is, so you have 4 cores running 8 threads and it over taxes the CPU. Turn off hyperthreading then? Awwww, then the Intel fanboys would STILL CRY about it. This is too funny. The Intel fanboys flaunt the fact that they have "Hyperthreading blah blah blah" but when it hampers CPU performance they cry. HAHAHAHAHA
It's not "hampering" anything. It's purely unfair to expect 2 times the work from one CPU as the other. Period. It's a shame you can't see that, "fanboy."

Guys, I've seen no real proof that all the overclocking in the world would catch a PhII 945 up to the i3 2100. You're saying it like it's a given. It would be interesting to see a real comparison there.
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True, but consider the price you'd have to pay for a decent 6+2 phase overclocking motherboard for AMD over an Intel H67. And then there's the power consumption after overclocking. =P
That BS is moot as well,this is Overclock.net
Trying to hide the fact that it cannot overclock at all,which makes the AMD quad a better value? WINNING!
A "decent 6+2" phase board isn't needed to OC a AMD quad.
I've got a six core on a $130 4+1 phase motherboard. For the most part, it is the phase quality that counts.

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AND......you just proved my point. Older AMD cpu vs Newer Intel cpu, just to make yourself feel better. Yer starting to sound like Charlie Sheen. "Winning!"



Oh I agree here, more threads for folding would be nice, so I hope the 8-core BD cpu kills SMP folding.
Comparing a overpriced dual core to a quad core that can actually be overclocked and tuned is pointless,because today it is better to get a quad core over a dual core.
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It's not "hampering" anything. It's purely unfair to expect 2 times the work from one CPU as the other. Period. It's a shame you can't see that, "fanboy."

Guys, I've seen no real proof that all the overclocking in the world would catch a PhII 945 up to the i3 2100. You're saying it like it's a given. It would be interesting to see a real comparison there.
QQ?
It's 100% fair. The Intel has HT,so it will be loaded up as it if were an 8 core.
PHII X4 965 is a better value than the dual core,games and most programs benefit from more cores,than threads. You already see that HT can be overloaded and have a negative effect on performance.
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