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lmao. how about octo-winning for the BE
Epic win winning or epic fail winning?
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True, but consider the price you'd have to pay for a decent 6+2 phase overclocking motherboard for AMD over an Intel H67. And then there's the power consumption after overclocking. =P
I got my board for AU$133 and it has 8+2 phases...? There's an AM3+ version with USB3 front panel headers and UEFI in addition to what it already has for AU$150 too.

And an overclocked Phenom II destroys a Core i3...Not that the real world care about overclocking. (So yeah, for overclockers? Phenom II. For everyone else? Core i3.)
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I seriously can't believe I just got called an Intel fanboy

We need to do something about this phenomenon. The other Bulldozer thread went south just like this because of the loose usage of 'fanboy and troll'.
 
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Looks like SB is running 8 instances of pi which is going to seriously dent performance as opposed to the 4 threads on Llano. Unfair testing.
This is true. However, they are probably comparing both CPUs "out of the box" against each other; no tweaks, no optimizations, nuffin.

This might just make Intel realize that their hyper-threading isn't working too well.
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Wat. I'm seriously having a hard time comprehending what you're saying.

The Radeon HD 6620M should be somewhat slower than the Radeon HD 5670 (by ~15-20%, not 50%) and should be a bit faster than the Radeon HD 5650M (by 5-10%). Obviously, it's a whole lot faster than anything Intel has come up with, and because of the GPU most games should run in medium/high settings combo and decent resolutions (1280x720). Not bad at all.

Also, I don't know how in the name you can say the AMD E-350 is slow given its pricepoint. It's good for any normal computer task, even when multitasking. Certainly feels a lot faster than any Atom.
I didn't say it's slow. I said it's a total dog on integer operations which really aren't that big of a deal. Because it's buried under what has evolved. It's like saying a graphics card needs a faster text mode.
And no there are 2 versions of llano a 1/2 package a 20 watter that is 1/2 the graphics and dual cores. It will probably be a really really good experience at 1366x768 all the way up to 1440x900. The 60 watter will probably be a fantastic experience all the way up to 1920x1080.

Will the 60 watter quad beat an i3 in cpu blowfish? I doubt it. Does it matter? Not to me.
And you're crazy talking medium to high settings. This thing will run most things at max. You just aren't screwing around at 5670 power levels. That's 9800gt with more horsepower and that's the target spec most things shoot for in the best experience category. And if the e350 is anything to go by this thing is likely to have way way above a 5670 compute ability. Likely 50 percent more.

I just kind of wonder about the resource allocations. I mean you gotta bake these things in the same oven for 72 hours straight. The 1/2 package dual core version can't be much more cost effective than the 350e given the input costs of 72 hours of uninterrupted power running the clean room and scrubbers and going through the laundry list of 10000 things the chip has go through before it's done. At most they'll be able to get 20 to 30 percent more e350's per wafer than these so if the rumors of a dual core version of this are true then it's going to beat up the 350 market pretty bad.

It looks like a really fantastic chip. I3 30 watt package and 6570 would be a good setup too.

I just have a bad feeling the dual cores will end up in laptops and won't make it to the desktop. So that gives us 500 dollar e350 nettops which are a bit light and 700 laptops which are a bit heavy on power and mainstream desktops which are about double the power level of graphics that most game designers will shoot for for top end experience with normal sized monitors. This is kind of a vicious chip though because it's going to expand the number of systems that don't have graphics boards and never will have them by several hundreds of percent. It's kind of a vicious graphics board industry killer.
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We need to do something about this phenomenon. The other Bulldozer thread went south just like this because of the loose usage of 'fanboy and troll'.
Good luck on that one.

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This is true. However, they are probably comparing both CPUs "out of the box" against each other; no tweaks, no optimizations, nuffin.

This might just make Intel realize that their hyper-threading isn't working too well.
See, this is the point I have been trying to make but the Intel fan....errr I mean the Intel "lovers" (that better Wishmaker?) cry foul. This is where people latch onto a technical gimmick and run with it, bashing others that have a competing product saying it is better. See it all the time here and elsewhere.
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I didn't say it's slow. I said it's a total dog on integer operations which really aren't that big of a deal. Because it's buried under what has evolved. It's like saying a graphics card needs a faster text mode.
And no there are 2 versions of llano a 1/2 package a 20 watter that is 1/2 the graphics and dual cores. It will probably be a really really good experience at 1366x768 all the way up to 1440x900. The 60 watter will probably be a fantastic experience all the way up to 1920x1080.

Will the 60 watter quad beat an i3 in cpu blowfish? I doubt it. Does it matter? Not to me.
And you're crazy talking medium to high settings. This thing will run most things at max. You just aren't screwing around at 5670 power levels. That's 9800gt with more horsepower and that's the target spec most things shoot for in the best experience category. And if the e350 is anything to go by this thing is likely to have way way above a 5670 compute ability. Likely 50 percent more.

I just kind of wonder about the resource allocations. I mean you gotta bake these things in the same oven for 72 hours straight. The 1/2 package dual core version can't be much more cost effective than the 350e given the input costs of 72 hours of uninterrupted power running the clean room and scrubbers and going through the laundry list of 10000 things the chip has go through before it's done. At most they'll be able to get 20 to 30 percent more e350's per wafer than these so if the rumors of a dual core version of this are true then it's going to beat up the 350 market pretty bad.

It looks like a really fantastic chip. I3 30 watt package and 6570 would be a good setup too.

I just have a bad feeling the dual cores will end up in laptops and won't make it to the desktop. So that gives us 500 dollar e350 nettops which are a bit light and 700 laptops which are a bit heavy on power and mainstream desktops which are about double the power level of graphics that most game designers will shoot for for top end experience with normal sized monitors. This is kind of a vicious chip though because it's going to expand the number of systems that don't have graphics boards and never will have them by several hundreds of percent. It's kind of a vicious graphics board industry killer.
I'm talking about the mobile APU, not the desktop. The 65w and 100w TDP APUs are for desktops; the 25w and 45w TDP APUs are for mobile. The mobile APU, interestingly, is the one that has the fastest IGP. I retract my statement: it should either match or be just slightly slower than the Radeon HD 5670. It has 480 SPs, 24 texture units, 8 color ROPs, a Core Clock from 500-725MHz (Turbo CORE), 128-bit bus width, and the Memory will obviously be shared with main system RAM and will be DDR3. So, it has 80 more SPs, 4 more TUs, the same amount of Color ROPs, a Core Clock that's a bit lower at max Turbo, but much lower memory bandwidth due to DDR3 instead of DDR5. I think in bandwidth starved games it's gonna be slightly slower and in texture or physics heavy games it's gonna be slightly faster or the same speed. The A8-3510MX APU, the one I'm talking about now, has a TDP of 45w. There's others with lower performance that will have a 25w TDP.
    
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This is true. However, they are probably comparing both CPUs "out of the box" against each other; no tweaks, no optimizations, nuffin.

This might just make Intel realize that their hyper-threading isn't working too well.
hyperthreading=brute force
integer cores=efficient design (clear winner in my book)

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All this talk about hyperthreading has me wondering do Intel users really cut hyperthreading on and off like a light switch?
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All this talk about hyperthreading has me wondering do Intel users really cut hyperthreading on and off like a light switch?
only processor line ive messed with that has HT is Pentium 4, and i leave it on.
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