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Says who? You? The law?
Well, says me.

Which is why I said "in my opinion". However I think it is a good opinion and that everyone would benefit from them being explicit and clear. A situation such as this would be avoided, that is for sure. I think every legal contract should be as clear as possible. I don't understand how a lack of clarity would benefit the consumer at all.

You can say "that's how it is, you agreed to it" and you'd be right, but that doesn't make the situation or practice fair or correct. To not disagree with something you feel is wrong because it is the Status Quo is nonsense.
    
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You can say "that's how it is, you agreed to it" and you'd be right, but that doesn't make the situation or practice fair or correct. To not disagree with something you feel is wrong because it is the Status Quo is nonsense.
I agree with you.

My point is that if I can topple the foundations of your argument, a lawyer is going to see this as a free paycheck.

The only thing we have to hope for is that the practices they use to in which to store our data, or indeed just how much data they store, is in some way illegal.

I honestly see nothing coming of this.

Which leads me to my next question. If this lawsuit is not successful, who pays the court fees? The two guys who submitted the class action suit?
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At least Google asks me for location tracking, and even the Market warns me of apps which record my location. I am informed of such things, which is good. Apple's approach on the other hand is more secretive; the iPhone never does ask me about anything regarding tracking my move.

Though I'm aware of that fact and I don't mind them doing it, others don't. And they have a right to know what sort of things their devices could do with their information. That's where the complaints come in.
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I agree with you.

My point is that if I can topple the foundations of your argument, a lawyer is going to see this as a free paycheck.

The only thing we have to hope for is that the practices they use to in which to store our data, or indeed just how much data they store, is in some way illegal.
I would hope that the unencrypted dumping of personal data to another device could constitute some kind of security handling issue, but I'm hardly a lawyer. Perhaps it might even bring these small print agreements into question, etc.

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Which leads me to my next question. If this lawsuit is not successful, who pays the court fees? The two guys who submitted the class action suit?
That would have to hurt.
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hough I'm aware of that fact and I don't mind them doing it, others don't. And they have a right to know what sort of things their devices could do with their information. That's where the complaints come in.
Why does this change the circumstances?

Android:

Warns me that GPS uses location tracking

iOS:

Doesn't warn me that GPS uses location tracking

At the end of the day both companies are storing that data and using it for advertising. Exactly where does Android inform the user about that?



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I would hope that the unencrypted dumping of personal data to another device could constitute some kind of security handling issue, but I'm hardly a lawyer. Perhaps it might even bring these small print agreements into question, etc.
Hopefully. I'm hoping they get caught out on what they do with the data. I might agree with the fact that they know where I am, what I'm doing, simply due to the nature of the device. However they should not be able to use that data to sell for a profit, or distribute to any third party.
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Hopefully. I'm hoping they get caught out on what they do with the data. I might agree with the fact that they know where I am, what I'm doing, simply due to the nature of the device. However they should not be able to use that data to sell for a profit, or distribute to any third party.
This has the most potential.

If Apple gets caught with their pants down, it could change opinions about a lot of things publically and maybe legally.
    
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Why does this change the circumstances?

Android:

Warns me that GPS uses location tracking

iOS:

Doesn't warn me that GPS uses location tracking

At the end of the day both companies are storing that data and using it for advertising. Exactly where does Android inform the user about that?





Hopefully. I'm hoping they get caught out on what they do with the data. I might agree with the fact that they know where I am, what I'm doing, simply due to the nature of the device. However they should not be able to use that data to sell for a profit, or distribute to any third party.
iOS does warn users about GPS location tracking. It's in the ToS that every iPhone user agrees to.
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iOS does warn users about GPS location tracking. It's in the ToS that every iPhone user agrees to.
Yeah, I mentioned that in an earlier post.

He was referring to a pop up that warns the user that locations services are being used. I was referring to iOS lacking in that context.
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post #29 of 70
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Yeah, I mentioned that in an earlier post.

He was referring to a pop up that warns the user that locations services are being used. I was referring to iOS lacking in that context.
ah yes, sorry.
While it is true that Android gives you a popup, and iOS doesn't, that just means it's more friendly and upfront about it as I believe you're saying as well. I think this lawsuit will easily fall through.
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Whether or not it was in Apples TOS or any other TOS from another phone maker, it should be made BLINDINGLY clear that you MAY or WILL be tracked via GPS and data pertaining to that will be recorded on a periodic basis. I personally think having it in small print is wrong and in fact perhaps could be seen as devious.
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