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In defense of Apple (shocked myself that I'm saying that) How different is it for Apple to track your location than any GPS device doing so? Sure, Apple/Google/etc. may use it for something such as providing advertisements that apply to your geographic location but it's not causing any harm, which may be the deciding factor for the judge. Are the customers being harmed in any way or are their locations being used in a way that infringes on any privacy laws? Most likely not.

*Shocker* Your service providers know your location. I don't see the big deal people make it to be. "OMG you know where I am!" ...Really? Come on. What do you have to hide? Apple isn't going to text your wife where you were last night or the police about you being near a crime that just occurred; that's the only thing I can imagine someone could be worried about.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 4/26/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
In defense of Apple (shocked myself that I'm saying that) How different is it for Apple to track your location than any GPS device doing so? Sure, Apple/Google/etc. may use it for something such as providing advertisements that apply to your geographic location but it's not causing any harm, which may be the deciding factor for the judge. Are the customers being harmed in any way or are their locations being used in a way that infringes on any privacy laws? Most likely not.

*Shocker* Your service providers know your location. I don't see the big deal people make it to be. "OMG you know where I am!" ...Really? Come on. What do you have to hide? Apple isn't going to text your wife where you were last night or the police about you being near a crime that just occurred; that's the only thing I can imagine someone could be worried about.
The device stores the information, unencrypted, on your computer. There is already software available to rebuild the information into a travel map.

Do other GPS devices do that?

Also, dream up all the scenarios you want, that doesn't make me feel confident in making information more available to people. In my opinion, only a fool voluntarily discloses information such as this when it is of no benefit to themselves.

Having nothing to hide does not mean you have nothing that can be exploited.
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Keep in mind, to prevent apple from doing this you need to jailbreak your phone to disable apple from tracking you via GPS.

Sure, android does this too, but when you turn on the phone for the first time, you have the option to disable tracking and/or "antonymous usage statistics ". You do not need to go around any loops to disable it, it is RIGHT THERE. All you do is touch the check box, and viola, no more tracking.
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oh, and I am surprised to see such lackadaisical attitudes on this thread about privacy. We all know our info is out there, but it doesn't mean we should just wink at violations of basic human privacy in the real world. Thats the kind of mentality that leads to Minority Report style advertisements based of your location and retinal scans.... just sayin...

I love lots of tech, but a giant part of me wishes we never created any of it.
We all try to convince one another to have different stances so that we can ultimately change society for the better. Unfortunately, the free will of the decision makers affect the true outcome no matter how strong those outside influences may be. Society often shuns the decision makers who don't withhold the responsibility of being just a figure head for the people, but not always.

Also we have to realize that outside influences are commonly ignored as a product of opinion. Why should one be forced to change society if no one they care about benefits from it at any point in their lifetime. Every person has different people they care about and different priorities.

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The system of those little disclaimers is pretty shady. Companies know no one reads it, and it isn't worded in a way to be easily read. The simple fact that this is known to be a commonly ignored item, and that shady little CYA's are tucked in there that NO ONE is aware of illustrates how they do not serve their purpose.

If Apple (or anyone) cared, they would be more transparent.

Does anyone have one handy to see how the wording is for this? I bet you it doesn't mention explicitly the details, but hand waives a vague explanation about data collection.
It sounds like you want this lawsuit to establish some kind of legislation on how disclaimers are represented. Laws are supposed to establish a basis of necessary ethical values for a sustainable society. When you start creating laws based on idealistic ethical values you start to move farther from a free society. What determines an ethical value to be idealistic or necessary is decided by the citizens of that society.
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Stick 'em! Them there at Android need to get to work on removing the tracking feature before they get it too.

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If this goes through google is next.
Unless you're referring to Android, no.
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Laws are supposed to establish a basis of necessary ethical values for a sustainable society. When you start creating laws based on idealistic ethical values you start to move farther from a free society. What determines an ethical value to be idealistic or necessary is decided by the citizens of that society.
I don't understand your point as you put it. Also, my post was in response to another post mentioning the EULA or TOS. Are you implying that the desire for more transparency from companies is in some way idealized and moving AWAY from freedom?

Because that sounds pretty fallacious.

I think I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying.
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I know I've seen a lot of apps on my iPhone that have options to allow the app to use my location, but yeah...there is nothing on the phone its self. I accidentally still had the paper work from when I got the phone and I just looked at it. Unless there is some paper missing, there nothing that mentions location tacking.

Not that I care. If any of you want to know where I was yesterday I will tell you. However, I can understand that some poeple out there want their activities hidden even if they are following all laws, rules, and social standards.

It is kind of like if you were to find out if some had been monitoring what you had been eating for breakfast with out you knowing. When you find out you know that them having that info isn't going to hurt you in any way...but it is just wierd.
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Difference between google OS and apple OS, is that apple force you to connect to itunes in order to do even the smallest thing, and than takes the data from your phone and transmit it to their servers, aka stealing.

Google OS works differently. So unless someone proves that google are doing the same, apple are pretty screwed if this goes much further.
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Lol the lawsuit is rather contained into ''I look for pretty penny and nothing more''.
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Difference between google OS and apple OS, is that apple force you to connect to itunes in order to do even the smallest thing, and than takes the data from your phone and transmit it to their servers, aka stealing.

Google OS works differently. So unless someone proves that google are doing the same, apple are pretty screwed if this goes much further.
I wouldn't call them screwed...Apple will just cut them a check, make a change to the OS, and move on with business
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