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great post
from what u said
games today dont look that great because they need to scale it down to run on 6 year old hardware
cant wait for ps4 so games would look awesome
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the term console port no longer even involves true porting. It is a term used when a game is developed and designed around the weakest link, a console. Just like other words and terms have evolved over time, so did this one.

Because the game design starts with the idea of what can we do on a console, rather than what can we do with a PC. Cross platform Engines are an excellent example of this. Along with not redesigning UIs and other things to take advantage of the PC. The term Console port is an appropriate term to be used when describing a game regardless of the engine that was used. As the term is no longer even refering to what the OP is stating at this point.

Console port is the equivalent to consolitis now.
Edited by Vhati - 5/6/11 at 9:52am
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There is a lot of opinion in the OP...

In my opinion...a console port is any game that has a GUI optimised for a controller. Just Cause 2 was one of the first games to actually require DX10 for the PC version, but when then the start screen comes up it still has the "Start" button and your number of hotkeys in the game just accidentally co-insides with how many are available on most controllers. It is one of my favorite games, but it is a console port through and through eventhough all versione were developped and released at the near same time. It is a console port even with it requiring DX10.

In short, the game was designed to play with a controller. Thus making it designed for consoles. Sure I can connect a 360 controller to my PC, but if the game was designed for PCs and optimized for keyboard and mouse controls I would never want to. The game developers only thought about console while it was being developped so thus...it is a port.
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post
Most console ports can be identified by their delayed release on the PC. Usually they will release on the console several months, or even years earlier than the PC.
With the added benefit of maximizing sales before releasing on the PC and subjecting your IP to increased levels of piracy. Which is not to say that console games aren't pirated, of course, but not typically with the same degree of ease that you see on the PC.
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post #25 of 94
Nice read OP! Rep+

However, and despite your argument being formally true, the material truth is that:


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Originally Posted by Vhati View Post
the term console port no longer even involves true porting. It is a term used when a game is developed and designed around the weakest link, a console. Just like other words and terms have evolved over time, so did this one.

Because the game design starts with the idea of what can we do on a console, rather than what can we do with a PC. Cross platform Engines are an excellent example of this. Along with not redesigning UIs and other things to take advantage of the PC. The term Console port is an appropriate term to be used when describing a game regardless of the engine that was used. As the term is no longer even refering to what the OP is stating at this point.

Console port is the equivalent to consolitis now.

And rep+ to you too!

It is in fact more and more like you said. As the OP said, it is much easier right now to code for the three platforms at the same time using a unified engine, but as the consoles grow older and older the design decisions are based on what the consoles can do, and not exactly on what a Pentium 4 and a Geforce 6/7 series card can do. Consoles ports will probably be very effective at using multiple cores (not the case of a Pentium 4 certainly), but be lacking in the graphics department.

Anyway, according to another post, the "Xbox 720" is already being tested at EA. It's true that the current consoles can still be called what some consider "good enough", but it's also true that consoles in general don't last more than 7 years before the successor arrives. And guess what ? The Xbox turns 6 this year. So it won't be long before this console port talk will die for a few more years.

Looking at the consoles release schedules over the years, we can say that, on average a console is replaced every 5 or 6 years. That would put the Xbox 360 being replaced later this year or the next, and Sony's PS3 being replaced next year. I personally don't buy the argument they won't release a new console until the current ones are 10 years old.

NES: 1983
SNES: 1990
Nintendo 64: 1996
GameCube: 2001
Wii: 2006


Master System: 1985
Mega Drive: 1988
Saturn: 1994
Dreamcast: 1998


Playstation: 1994
PS2: 2000
PS3: 2006


Xbox: 2001
Xbox 360: 2005
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I personally don't buy the argument they won't release a new console until the current ones are 10 years old.
No one does. They're just being delusional when they say that, hoping for maximum profit with minimum work.
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Thanks a lot for this read, I think a lot more people should have a look at this... so much information to answer many questions.

I'm only sad when there are ports like GTA4... the rest, port or not, still depends on how good the game is and then if it's made to work with a controller, get one; I'm pretty sure that most of us here can spare 50-60$ on a controller with our 1k-2k ++ computers
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Well Crysis 2, with all the excuses made, was bad. It has perks and killstreaks.

I don't really mind console ports. Batman AA and BC2 and two console port games that run really well and are really fun and don't feel clunclky. You CAN make a good or even a great multi-platform game that would satisfy everyone if you try. However, you can only make a really amazing PC game, if it's built from the PC ground up. And I'm talking gameplay controls, mod support not just '"OMGZA GRAPHICS!!!"


Oh and what Vhati said .
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Nicely done. Sadly, the uninformed-but-strongly-opinionated are rarely swayed by factual information.
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Great read and intelligent discussion going on here!

I guess I agree with Vhati and Shrimp the most, though there's not much to agree with in OP because it's not as opinionated and mostly plain facts.
    
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