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Been trying to push my system to 500mhz fsb and I can't seem to get it stable. Im not sure what I'm doing wrong, but maybe someone can help me based on my data I provide. I've read the sticky post for the ud3p but its hard to sift through all the fluff in there.

I ram running with 5 hdds and 2 rom drives, using gskill ram that is like 1100 rated @ 1.85v. Rocking the q9450 and the gigabyte ep45-ud3p. Water cooling the cpu and my video card on 1 loop. If I need to provide any more data for hardware that is relevant, just ask.

Anything I haven't filled in means its probably on auto, for I didn't mess with it. If anyone can help me and see where I need to boost a voltage to get stable, that would be great. The only thing I'm not sure of is how high I can take my vcore and northbridge (MCH) before its a danger-level voltage. If someone has the highest max safe volts available, that would be great to know, too. I've tried googling to not much effect :/


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CPU = q9450
Motherboard = ep45-ud3p v1.6
BIOS Version = FE (latest bios from gigabyte)
Ram = GSKILL DDR2 1100 4x2gb


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.................: N/A
CPU Frequency .......................: 4.0ghz


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 500
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive......................: 
PCI Express Clock Drive..............: 
CPU Clock Skew.......................: 
MCH Clock Skew.......................: 90


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: 
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: 
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 400hmz
System Memory Multiplier ............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1000
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: 5-5-15


Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.....................: 
tRCD ................................: 
tRP..................................: 
tRAS.................................: 

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD.................................: 
tWTR.................................: 
tWR..................................: 
tRFC.................................: 
tRTP.................................: 
Command Rate (CMD) ..................: 


Channel A
Static tRead Value...................:10

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................: 10


Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
Load Line Calibration (LLC) .........: enabled
CPU Vcore............................: 1.400
CPU Termination.....1.200V*..........: 1.38
CPU PLL.............1.500V*..........: 1.500
CPU Referen.........0.755V*..........: .893

MCH/ICH
MCH Core............1.100V...........: 1.400
MCH Reference.......0.800V...........: .903
MCH/DRAM Ref........0.900V...........: .910
ICH I/O.............1.500V...........: 1.500
ICH Core............1.100V...........: 1.300

DRAM
DRAM Voltage .........1.800V.........: 2.00
DRAM Termination .....0.900V.........: .910
Channel A Reference ..0.900V.........: .910
Channel B Reference ..0.900V.........: .910

Edited by lynxxyarly - 4/27/11 at 4:02pm
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That is overkill voltage on the MCH core, my UD3P can run 500 FSB on just 1.26

MCH clock skew 90? is that the default? I wouldn't touch the skews.
I would leave CPU PLL and reference on auto too.

As a matter of fact, I left everything on auto except for vcore 1.33v, termination @ 1.3v, and MCH core @ 1.24v

I hope you can figure it out because the UD3P is definitely not holding you back.
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I remembering when I was overclocking (mine isn't much, but it's something), lowering the RAM speed helped a lot
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It would be nice to know what ram your running... e-e You are going to have your ram at 1000MHz with this setup so if you have 800MHz ram, make sure you loosen the timings to like 6-6-6-18 and up the voltage to 2.1 or so.
If it is 1066, then leave it as is.

Code:
CPU = q9450
Motherboard = ep45-ud3p
BIOS Version = FE (latest bios from gigabyte)
Ram = GSKILL DDR2 1100 4x2gb


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.................: N/A
CPU Frequency .......................: 4.0GHz


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: [Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 2.00D
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


Advanced Clock Control - leave on auto


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disable
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 500
System Memory Multiplier ............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1000
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual


Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.....................:  5
tRCD ................................: 5
tRP..................................: 5
tRAS.................................: 15

Advanced Timing Control - Leave alone


Leave Channels alone too
Channel A
Static tRead Value...................:10

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................: 10


Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
Load Line Calibration (LLC) .........: enabled
CPU Vcore............................: 1.400
CPU Termination.....1.200V*..........: 1.38 - DO NOT GO OVER 1.36!!! You are going to kill your chip!. 1.28-1.34 is plenty
CPU PLL.............1.500V*..........: 1.500 - 1.57
CPU Referen.........0.755V*..........: .893 - Just leave at auto, but may need higher and sometimes need to mess with this to get higher FSB right. Don't know waht to do here. Sorry...

MCH/ICH
MCH Core............1.100V...........: 1.400 - way to high - 1.34 is plenty
MCH Reference.......0.800V...........: .903 - leave auto
MCH/DRAM Ref........0.900V...........: .910 - Leave auto
ICH I/O.............1.500V...........: 1.500
ICH Core............1.100V...........: 1.300 - leave at 1.1

DRAM
DRAM Voltage .........1.800V.........: 2.00
DRAM Termination .....0.900V.........: .910
Channel A Reference ..0.900V.........: .910
Channel B Reference ..0.900V.........: .910

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I left the ram on the auto ratio of 1:1.

So its still running underclocked for the rated ram at this point and its running in perfect 1:1 ratio, which is, what I've been told, the best for stability.

As far as the skew goes, I read on another indepth overclock guide for the ud3p and they recommended to put the MCH skew at 90, so I did it *shrug*

I dunno what's going on with the northbridge, though. I can't run it at 1.26, even now, at 3.6ghz. I'm not even close to stable till 1.32v for 3.6ghz. Might have to do with me using all 4 channels of ram.

My vcore is currently at 1.32 for 3.6ghz and prime stable with appropriately adusted cpu term and reference volts for ram/cpu. Ram also went down to 900hmz with a 450FSB.

EDIT:

For Lord Xeb, I mentioned in my OP that I am using gskill ram that is DDR2 1100 ram with a 1.85v recommendation. Its the Gskill with the blue heatsinks and fins, if that helps.

EDIT 2:

This is the ram Im using. Of course, its im using 2 sets.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231194
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I left the ram on the auto ratio of 1:1.

So its still running underclocked for the rated ram at this point and its running in perfect 1:1 ratio, which is, what I've been told, the best for stability.

As far as the skew goes, I read on another indepth overclock guide for the ud3p and they recommended to put the MCH skew at 90, so I did it *shrug*

I dunno what's going on with the northbridge, though. I can't run it at 1.26, even now, at 3.6ghz. I'm not even close to stable till 1.32v for 3.6ghz. Might have to do with me using all 4 channels of ram.

My vcore is currently at 1.32 for 3.6ghz and prime stable with appropriately adusted cpu term and reference volts for ram/cpu. Ram also went down to 900hmz with a 450FSB.

EDIT:

For Lord Xeb, I mentioned in my OP that I am using gskill ram that is DDR2 1100 ram with a 1.85v recommendation. Its the Gskill with the blue heatsinks and fins, if that helps.
Make sure that you set those settings for the RAM though. That will all but insure a 1:1 ratio. But you are right, having more ram does push your MCH harder so you can probably go to 1.4v if needed but no higher than that. Other than that IDK what else to do other than for you tweak your CPU voltage. You are safe to 1.45v on that chip (use CPUz to measure it as bios is always off because of vDrop).
 
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Originally Posted by Lord Xeb View Post
It would be nice to know what ram your running... e-e You are going to have your ram at 1000MHz with this setup so if you have 800MHz ram, make sure you loosen the timings to like 6-6-6-18 and up the voltage to 2.1 or so.
If it is 1066, then leave it as is.

Code:
CPU = q9450
Motherboard = ep45-ud3p
BIOS Version = FE (latest bios from gigabyte)
Ram = GSKILL DDR2 1100 4x2gb


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.................: N/A
CPU Frequency .......................: 4.0GHz


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: [Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 2.00D
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


Advanced Clock Control - leave on auto


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disable
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 500
System Memory Multiplier ............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1000
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual


Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.....................:  5
tRCD ................................: 5
tRP..................................: 5
tRAS.................................: 15

Advanced Timing Control - Leave alone


Leave Channels alone too
Channel A
Static tRead Value...................:10

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................: 10


Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
Load Line Calibration (LLC) .........: enabled
CPU Vcore............................: 1.400
CPU Termination.....1.200V*..........: 1.38 - DO NOT GO OVER 1.36!!! You are going to kill your chip!. 1.28-1.34 is plenty
CPU PLL.............1.500V*..........: 1.500 - 1.57
CPU Referen.........0.755V*..........: .893 - Just leave at auto, but may need higher and sometimes need to mess with this to get higher FSB right. Don't know waht to do here. Sorry...

MCH/ICH
MCH Core............1.100V...........: 1.400 - way to high - 1.34 is plenty
MCH Reference.......0.800V...........: .903 - leave auto
MCH/DRAM Ref........0.900V...........: .910 - Leave auto
ICH I/O.............1.500V...........: 1.500
ICH Core............1.100V...........: 1.300 - leave at 1.1

DRAM
DRAM Voltage .........1.800V.........: 2.00
DRAM Termination .....0.900V.........: .910
Channel A Reference ..0.900V.........: .910
Channel B Reference ..0.900V.........: .910
Everything you've recommend to me in the code is stuff I've already tried, and I'm def not stable with those recommendations. :/

On a side note, to calculate the CPU reference, you do (I believe) a multiplier of .635 (for c2q 45nm procs) x the vcore. At least, that's the short of what I gathered from reading an in-depth guide on how the reference voltages work.
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Everything you've recommend to me in the code is stuff I've already tried, and I'm def not stable with those recommendations. :/

On a side note, to calculate the CPU reference, you do (I believe) a multiplier of .635 (for c2q 45nm procs) x the vcore. At least, that's the short of what I gathered from reading an in-depth guide on how the reference voltages work.
sounds hard problem to resolve. Hope u find the solution soon.
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sounds hard problem to resolve. Hope u find the solution soon.
Im pretty confident that I'll find the help on these forums. There are some great minds that exist here
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Im pretty confident that I'll find the help on these forums. There are some great minds that exist here
Then you'll have to get in touch with NoGuru, TwoCables, PapaSmurf, or DennyB.

Post in the UD3 thread by clicking the link in my sig and link them to this thread.
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