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Basically I, like loads of other people with Fermi cards, have had some very low performance in older games, and some stuttering issues. After logging clock rates of my GPU, it turned out it kept clocking down to low-power 3D clocks and then back up to full 3D clocks (changing voltage in the process as well), causing stuttering from doing this (why they introduced this power mode in the first place I have no idea, who doesn't want "maximum performance" from their graphics cards when running a 3D DirectX/OpenGL application/game?). Checking with their official Nvidia Control Panel Guide, it stated I needed a "Windows Vista and later" operating system to do this through their Power Management Mode (force 3D clocks on my card), which is the silliest thing I've heard (if XP can't run the card at full clocks, why state the card as "supported" in XP and more interestingly, why can it clock itself to this frequency when it wants to in XP and not when I tell it?). Just as I was planning on BIOS flashing my card to force the clock rates that I wanted on my card and disable this crap, I wanted to check my GPU voltages under load, so ran KMARK through MSI's Kombustor (a re-branded and slightly modded version of Furmark). And well well, what do you know, even when in the 2D menu of the program, it forced the card to stay at 100% full 3D clocks. Tried running Killing Floor with this menu in the background and checked clocks through Afterburner. Exit Killing Floor, still same clocks regardless of GPU usage. Hooray, now I can actually use the card how I wanted to and should have been able to by default in the first place!

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Finally...Now I can apply whatever OC I want and everything still stays at max clocks, it seems Furmark put the fear of God (or man) in this card, haha.

Tell me Jen-Hsun Huang, how much did M$ pay you to make up that garbage (that you need to upgrade your OS to fully utilize your GPU ) and to deliberately screw up support for XP users? I sure hope it covers alienating everyone using XP who would've bought your GPUs.

Edited by Am* - 4/27/11 at 10:08am
    
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What is XP? I can't remember it since it's so old. But seriously, I wouldn't have an issue if AMD/Nvidia dropped driver support for old OS's like XP.
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Inb4umad?

XP is a dying OS, especially when the selling point of most if not all of these newer cards is DX11, even if there is not much to utilize it yet.
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It's the face I made when I saw in their notes that I needed Windows Vista/7 to use my 3D clocks on my GPU (similar to XD) lol.
    
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I don't really understand why folk still game on XP. Unless you have apps that are specifically made for it and never updated... there isn't actually a reason?
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What is XP? I can't remember it since it's so old. But seriously, I wouldn't have an issue if AMD/Nvidia dropped driver support for old OS's like XP.
I'm sure the 40% of PC users still on XP would agree with you.
    
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I don't really understand why folk still game on XP. Unless you have apps that are specifically made for it and never updated... there isn't actually a reason?
ATI (now AMD) don't bother updating drivers and supporting older games, mostly they try and support whatever mainstream apps are used at the time. I got a lot of games from late 90s/early 2000s that need Nvidia cards to run. I had an ATI 2900XT and a HD 5770, trust me their support for old obscure games isn't good. I built this PC purely to play older games that don't support Windows 7 and the new drivers (hell some of them freak out if you use CPUs with more than one core) and it's doing fine for that now.
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98uk has a point, I really don't see why anyone is still using Windows XP for home use.

Large corporations and businesses, sure, but home use.. there's no excuse really.
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well... you do need windows 7 to fully utilize any hardware, along with more efficient coding windows 7 has DX11 support and superior openGL performance along with other things. I loved XP, but I can honestly say that windows 7 is quite a bit better
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98uk has a point, I really don't see why anyone is still using Windows XP for home use.

Large corporations and businesses, sure, but home use.. there's no excuse really.
Well besides the flashy interface, why exactly would someone with an old rig want to upgrade (some VITAL reasons please)? If you have loads of cores and a ton of RAM to waste (like on my other PC with a Phenom X4 and 4GB RAM) by all means go for it, for dual/single cores, there is no point.

I know Windows 7 utilizes RAM more efficiently and uses new GPUs better with some performance tweaks, but the real-world performance difference is negligible (5FPS-10FPS).
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