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Originally Posted by Am* View Post
ATI (now AMD) don't bother updating drivers and supporting older games, mostly they try and support whatever mainstream apps are used at the time. I got a lot of games from late 90s/early 2000s that need Nvidia cards to run. I had an ATI 2900XT and a HD 5770, trust me their support for old obscure games isn't good. I built this PC purely to play older games that don't support Windows 7 and the new drivers (hell some of them freak out if you use CPUs with more than one core) and it's doing fine for that now.
I know back in my 8800GTX days I had a horrible time with older games. Like my beloved Baldur's Gate would have missing objects and random things blacked out. In XP it was possible to shut down hardware acceleration and fix the issue, but not in vista. And BG was not the only one...I missed out on some really good games so I went back and played alot of oldies.

These older games are the reason why went with ATI as they handle them better in my expierence. Well, my 4870s and my 5850 had/have little problems. my 5850 used to be cursed with very poor 2D gaming performance but that got fixed about 10 drivers ago. I don't think I had any trouble with a 4870.

or wait...you might not be talking about games that are "that" old...I don't think that I had any trouble with any game that used 3D. Remeber to use D3D settings instead of any OpenGL settings that might be there and you should get your 3D clocks ramping up.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/27/11 at 8:33am
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XP apparently is supported, you downloaded a driver for your OS, didn't you? Your card allows you to view things, doesn't it? Then this is success as far as Nvidia saying it is supported.

If an advanced feature of the driver is not working on your legacy OS, then I can understand this as well, because your OS is old and won't handle the hardware with the relative ease that the current OS does.

I also agree with the above posts regarding your cpu as a huge bottleneck. I have that very same processor, in an old system, and it maxes out playing an mp3.
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I think he already knows all this... he doesn't have an SSD, nor any raptors, he's not trying to run 8 GBs of RAM either AND XP supports multi core just fine. When I switched to Vista from XP I lost some points on my benchmarks back in the day... of course I got em all back with Windows 7 and then some but still...

I'm sure if he ever decides to upgrade his PC to a new one he will be happy that he's got a 460 to throw in it rather than an outdated 7900.

Seriously, you guys need to respect the fact that people have a right to do what ever they want with their PCs. He knows the benefits of Windows 7, I am sure of it. It's just not what he wants at this time.

OP I would think that's some major design flaw in the nVidia drivers... did you say you contacted nVidia support about it?
Perhaps, you should take a look at OP spec.
That Athlon is bottlenecking the GPU so bad...

And, this fits more in the Rant section of Off-Topic
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That Athlon is bottlenecking the GPU so bad...
So?
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All name calling and insulting aside. I still feel that you made a mistake in purchising a Fermi Card for your aging system. I would have saved my money and upgraded something else. Your RAM for instance. Your system itself is going to bottleneck that GPU. Yes, your OS is out of date. In my opinion, that should be upgraded too. Just because it said on the box(or whatever) that your Fermi was supported by your OS does not mean that its OPTIMIZED for it. You basicalyl forced it to work by subverting its normal operating procedure. Why would you buy this upgrade for a Single core, single channel RAM system. I will not insult you or degrade you. But I will say that you did not make the smartest of upgrades.

All that aside above enjoy your purchase. You did make a nice choice in video cards.

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If you want to play vintage games, use a vintage rig. If I want to play old games, I use my rig with an AthlonXP and an X1300.
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I think he already knows all this... he doesn't have an SSD, nor any raptors, he's not trying to run 8 GBs of RAM either AND XP supports multi core just fine. When I switched to Vista from XP I lost some points on my benchmarks back in the day... of course I got em all back with Windows 7 and then some but still...

-snip-

OP I would think that's some major design flaw in the nVidia drivers... did you say you contacted nVidia support about it?
1) Would you run XP with your Thuban? Assuming you only had 2GB of RAM, and no RAID or SSD? No? I didn't think so. XP can only utilize a single core CPU. Yes, it can USE a multi core CPU (up to 8 cores I think???), but it doesn't PROPERLY use those cores like Vista and 7 do.

2) You lost points off benchmarks because most benchmarks in those days were single threaded. Vista had better multi core support, so if you were using a multicore CPU, that would have made single thread processes run slightly slower. So yes, I can see why synthetic benchmarks would have been slower.

3) It's a CPU bottleneck through and through. I appologize for jumping on the XP bandwagon, although that's certainly not helping anything. His CPU is not fast enough at all for a 460. XP isn't helping the process any at all, but the CPU is the problem here.
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I'm sure the 40% of PC users still on XP would agree with you.
And those 40% of users on XP don't usually buy graphics cards

The only people who still have XP that bring their PC into our shop for repair are old people with 7 year old machines who say "Oh I just check my email and play solitaire".

If you want better performance, update your operating system.

Soon enough games are going to stop being supported on XP, I think BF3 will be the first, and surely there'll be more to follow.

Why would software developers want to be limited in their capabilities because of an OLD operating system? Sure, they won't get those sales, but as I said, most of those XP users have really old machines or don't really care.

I'm sure you can find W7 pretty cheap, or discounted with a combo deal on many PC hardware e-retailers.
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Soon enough games are going to stop being supported on XP, I think BF3 will be the first, and surely there'll be more to follow.
Shattered Horizon was released as DX10 only. It has already started.
 
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And I'll bet money on it, that you saw literally no improvement from your old 8800 (just read the thread). That Athlon 3200 is such a bottleneck, its not even funny. You couldn't even fully utilize an 8600GT, let alone a GTX460.

Where is the logic here?

I understand that you're mad that you bought the wrong card for a 10 year old OS. But you can't blame Nvidia for your mistake.

You cannot possibly expect Windows XP, a 10 year old OS, to properly use a graphics card made this year. Especially on hardware that is just as old as your OS (or just about).

The reason its stuttering, I'll put MONEY ON IT....is that your CPU cannot feed that GPU the information quick enough. The GPU just sits there and waits and waits, and your CPU is like, "Dude, just gimme another couple minutes, I'm almost ready!".

Athlon64 3200+ cannot possibly feed a GTX460 the information quickly enough. As such, the 460 is downclocking while its waiting, to conserve power.
That's again, bullcrap. And I wouldn't buy another 8800GT considering my last one burned up and the idle temps it had were higher than what this card's load temps are. There's no logic in your reply, you want proof, ask for a screenshot. And this Athlon does not equate to your Pentium 4.

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Well this thread provided me with my entertainment for the day. Anyway if you built this computer solely for the purpose of playing old games why drop in a modern GPU when you could have bought one off of eBay for 30 quid that's tried and true on the specific games you're buying? It should be pretty well known at this point that tech doesn't always have backward compatibility. Did you do all the research for this rig on your own or did you ask anyone here at OCN about it before you bought the parts and built it (also links to the posts or it didn't happen).

Rather than rage on Nvidia I'd focus the blame squarely on where it belongs, you. You should have done the research, asked the right questions and thought this out far more throughly than you did.




My thoughts exactly. There's no way that CPU, especially at stock can feed information to that GPU fast enough at the settings you're claiming. Screenshots or it didn't happen.
For your information, I did ask here.

I'll jump into a L4D2 game now and get a screenshot if it stops any more morons stating my rig can't do what I've already played ages ago. It's obvious ignorance is bliss for you two. Don't post what I can and can't run till then, ask what game you want me to prove I can run. I even run Mafia 2 with everything maxed except shadows decently enough.
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