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Do you know what you're talking about, or did you get this little conception from some 90's hacker movie where "hacking" could be defined by mashing random keys while giving a zombie like stare to a screen scrolling binary, like some kind of half baked retard?

There isn't always a way. The fact is that alot of companies cheap out on this because there always seems to be better ways to spend their money, and it looks like Sony was one of them.
When you're in a neighborhood where everyone hates you, are you going to lock your front door and call it good? I mean, who really breaks through windows or goes through back doors these days anyway?

It's Sony's fault, and no, it's not as simple as "there's always a way to hack in."
There are only as many ways as they've allowed.
If a criminal breaks into your house, steals a gun, and shoots someone with it, is it your fault?
Is it the gun's fault?
Is it the gun manufacturers fault?
Is it the Bullets'('s) fault?
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If a criminal breaks into your house, steals a gun, and shoots someone with it, is it your fault?
Is it the gun's fault?
Is it the gun manufacturers fault?
Is it the Bullets'('s) fault?
That analogy doesn't work here. The difference is that we GAVE Sony this information with the expectation it would be safe. It wasn't and it has been stolen.

A better analogy would be, if you put a car away in public storage, and it gets stolen, it is the owner of the place it was stored's fault for not securing it properly and preventing it from happening.
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That analogy doesn't work here. The difference is that we GAVE Sony this information with the expectation it would be safe. It wasn't and it has been stolen.

A better analogy would be, if you put a car away in public storage, and it gets stolen, it is the owner of the place it was stored's fault for not securing it properly and preventing it from happening.
It would be their fault if their security was piss poor, though I'm pretty sure when you apply for such storage you agree that they are not responsible for any loss or damage. Let's say you didn't agree to such terms. If the storage facility has adequate security (camera surveillance, motion sensors, etc.) then they wouldn't be at fault if someone shot out their cameras and whatnot to break in.

Sony's security was clearly not piss poor as this is the only serious security issue they've had in PSN's history.
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If a criminal breaks into your house, steals a gun, and shoots someone with it, is it your fault?
Is it the gun's fault?
Is it the gun manufacturers fault?
Is it the Bullets'('s) fault?
If you put a big sign up in front of your house that says "I have guns in my house" and left your back door unlocked, and put the gun on the welcome mat?

Sony has a responsibility to provide it's customers with an adequate level of security. They clearly failed.
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Too many people on both sides of the argument are posting worthless crap in this thread. Yay internet!
    
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If you put a big sign up in front of your house that says "I have guns in my house" and left your back door unlocked, and put the gun on the welcome mat?

Sony has a responsibility to provide it's customers with an adequate level of security. They clearly failed.
How do you know they failed? You clearly don't understand network infruastructure and how they relate to security. You can only lock down so much before inherent holes in the technology become evident and exploited. The person who did this was likely very skilled, and it may have taken them years to do so.

You assume that someone just woke up the other morning and said "oh, hey, I'm gonna go try and grab personal info from PSN" and did just that. Don't be so naive. If that were the case, it would have been done years ago. Their security has been adequate thus far, only now are we seeing it compromised which tells us that whoever did this had it planned out.
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It would be their fault if their security was piss poor, though I'm pretty sure when you apply for such storage you agree that they are not responsible for any loss or damage. Let's say you didn't agree to such terms. If the storage facility has adequate security (camera surveillance, motion sensors, etc.) then they wouldn't be at fault if someone shot out their cameras and whatnot to break in.

Sony's security was clearly not piss poor as this is the only serious security issue they've had in PSN's history.
I don't care what level of security something has, if Sony was given data to keep safe, that is THEIR responsibility.

So if my bank got hacked, and took all of my money, the bank is not at fault? How does that make any sense? (Seeing as banks most likely have incredible security)


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Too many people on both sides of the argument are posting worthless crap in this thread. Yay internet!
And you add absolutely nothing. You are the problem here.
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If you put a big sign up in front of your house that says "I have guns in my house" and left your back door unlocked, and put the gun on the welcome mat?

Sony has a responsibility to provide it's customers with an adequate level of security. They clearly failed.
Do you honestly think it was easy for these guys to hack into PSN?
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I don't care what level of security something has, if Sony was given data to keep safe, that is THEIR responsibility.

So if my bank got hacked, and took all of my money, the bank is not at fault? How does that make any sense? (Seeing as banks most likely have incredible security)




And you add absolutely nothing. You are the problem here.
If a bank is robbed you have FDIC insurance, nothing more.
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How do you know they failed? You clearly don't understand network infruastructure and how they relate to security. You can only lock down so much before inherent holes in the technology become evident and exploited. The person who did this was likely very skilled, and it may have taken them years to do so.

You assume that someone just woke up the other morning and said "oh, hey, I'm gonna go try and grab personal info from PSN" and did just that. Don't be so naive. If that were the case, it would have been done years ago. Their security has been adequate thus far, only now are we seeing it compromised which tells us that whoever did this had it planned out.
Actually, it's quite likely that the person recently decided to start poking around the PSN. Sony made it obvious that they had glaring security problems when people started poking around in retaliation to the Geohot situation. It was only a few days after the lawsuit was filed, that an exploit was found and released to the public allowing people to steal other's system/PSN information and use it as their own.
It doesn't take as much time as it does knowledge. I sincerely doubt someone has been trying for years to access this information, especially considering it has no practical use. This type of thing isn't just linear. Your progress when hacking isn't a loading bar; you poke around only half-knowing what you're looking for, and if you're creative enough you'll find something. If the system's tight, it doesn't take 3 years to figure that out. It might take 3 years for them to make changes that cause the creation of a new exploit, but it's not like breaking out of jail with a spoon.
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