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Hello!

Ok, I've been reading a lot and considering how to set up my first WC system.

Goals:
1.) Quiet
2.) As close to ambient temps as possible
3.) Eventually (probably quite a bit down the road after this purchase lol) I plan to add a 2nd 580 in SLI. Going to wait quite a bit for that, though.

I will (likely) be getting a Corsair 800D to fit this. My components will be the same except I intend to swap my current GTX 560Ti with a GTX 580 reference.

Top Rad XSPC RASA RX 360 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85...?tl=g30c95s161
CPU Block EK Supreme HF (copper) http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10...2_AM2_AM3.html
Pump Swiftech MCP655-B http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21...t_317_GPH.html
Pump Top EK D5 X-Top Acetal Pump Top Rev. 2 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/78...CP-650655.html
Bottom Rad Black Ice GT Stealth 140 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/90...r_-_Black.htmlI will probably not add this to my loop.
Vid Block Koolance VID-NX580 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12..._Fittings.html
Tubing PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 7/16"ID 5/8" OD http://www.frozencpu.com/products/82...l_-_Black.html
Fittings Bitspower Matte Black G1/4" Barb Fitting PLUS clamps http://www.frozencpu.com/products/95...-MBWP-C01.html
Res Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 150 Inline Reservoir http://www.frozencpu.com/products/95...?tl=g30c97s165


Questions
  1. How does this set up look
  2. Any suggestions for better/more cost effective parts?
  3. Any compatibility issues?
  4. Am I forgetting something important?
  5. Any suggestions for a decent GTX 580 Reference card?
  6. Lastly, this is a (somewhat) pricey set up. Would I be better off just getting one of the kits (like the EK Supreme LT or XSPC Rasa RS/RX 360) and adding the extra parts? I've heard it say that the pump of the Rasa kit may not be able to handle a 2nd rad?

Here is my proposed loop set up:



I figured I'd put some sort of a drain down there by the pump, that's why I set the pump up at the bottom (I reckon it'd be easier to drain that way?)
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I love what you are doing. I dont know much since im barly getting my feet wet, but good luck and shoot b4 and after pics!
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1.) Setup looks ok.
2.) Parts are pretty much some of the better parts on the market.
3.) None that I see.
4.) Missing a kill coil/pt nuke and distilled water (local grocery store). And Fans Gentle Typhoon AP-14/15s, CM R4s, so many choices anything that moves a good amount of air and is quiet will suffice.
5.) I'm an ATI guy but EK makes great blocks I love my 5970 block from
them.
6.) Depends on if you are really willing to part with your money. Everything You have now will give you a great setup that will last years. Some kits have issues with their pumps from what I read but you can never go wrong with a custom loop. I used parts very similar to yours in my build and I love em and get great temps.
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1. Looks good except I would drop the 140mm stealth rad and probably drop that part of the loop entirely. There really arent any good 140mm single rads on the market, it is not worth the extra tubing in your loop. Go straight to the gpu block from the pump.
2. The XSPC Rasa RX360 kit would save you a lot of money and works really well. However, you would have to give up two 5.25 slots for the res/pump.
3. Nope
4. As mentioned above, you need fans. Honestly, any fans that are over 50cfm will do, quieter the better. I personally dont think the expensive typhoons are necessary. Silver coil and distilled water.
5. Not my forte, but I love my gigabyte 460.
6. I believe the answer here is yes. The XSPC kits are amazing for their price, especially the RX series. Dont let the rasa haters convince that pump is bad or under powered. I have mine running two RS240 rads through two blocks (CPU and GPU) and on the 7volt mod. Plenty of pump power I assure you.
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I love what you are doing. I dont know much since im barly getting my feet wet, but good luck and shoot b4 and after pics!
Absolutely.

Since finding Overclock.net I've rarely spent a day without browsing through users' pics of random stuff I'd love to own. I will definitely return the favor.

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Originally Posted by Arksniper View Post
1.) Setup looks ok.
2.) Parts are pretty much some of the better parts on the market.
3.) None that I see.
4.) Missing a kill coil/pt nuke and distilled water (local grocery store). And Fans Gentle Typhoon AP-14/15s, CM R4s, so many choices anything that moves a good amount of air and is quiet will suffice.
5.) I'm an ATI guy but EK makes great blocks I love my 5970 block from
them.
6.) Depends on if you are really willing to part with your money. Everything You have now will give you a great setup that will last years. Some kits have issues with their pumps from what I read but you can never go wrong with a custom loop. I used parts very similar to yours in my build and I love em and get great temps.
I thought that about the kits, as well. They seem like good values. However, I was concerned that in the very long term I might be adding more GPUs into the loop. At that point, I'd need to replace the pump eventually anyway.

About fans. Well, fans are the sort of thing that I always seem to have a lot of, and have spent a lot of money on. I'm leaning towards Yate Loons (cheap!).

About point 5 (the GPU block): You mentioned the EK block. Do I need to get an additional backplate for their blocks? I can't tell. The Koolance block appealed as a nice "all-in-one" block that I was relatively certain would work.

To be honest, I'm still torn between getting the RASA kit or EK kit with an added GPU block + 140mm rad versus keeping with the custom set up I have listed above. I would save roughly $100 going with the RASA kit. I love the EK kit, but it wouldn't save me money - and it also comes with compression fittings which scare me (I dunno why...they seem like another thing that could break.)
    
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I think you need the back plate if you want it to look nice but its not necessary. My 5970 had a back plate with it so I didn't need to pick up one but again I don't think one is necessary.

I am by no means a rasa kit hater but I have heard there have been issues with the pump and its reliance was just relaying what I heard I know there are many happy RASA kit owners. If you really would like to save cash then xspc kit and a gpu block is perfect for your. If you have the extra money to spend and want the improved performance a custom kit can give you then go with the custom build.

As to in the long run I am unsure how much the kits 750 pump can handle maybe its a question you can ask on the XSPC Rasa kit owners thread. But I know a D5 can handle most setups that don't include a chipset block and is a reliable pump maybe more so than the rasa kits. The EK kit is pure win compression fittings are nothing to fear and the EK set aside from the rad is better than the RASA kit but its 150% more expensive.
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Absolutely.

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I thought that about the kits, as well. They seem like good values. However, I was concerned that in the very long term I might be adding more GPUs into the loop. At that point, I'd need to replace the pump eventually anyway.

About fans. Well, fans are the sort of thing that I always seem to have a lot of, and have spent a lot of money on. I'm leaning towards Yate Loons (cheap!).

About point 5 (the GPU block): You mentioned the EK block. Do I need to get an additional backplate for their blocks? I can't tell. The Koolance block appealed as a nice "all-in-one" block that I was relatively certain would work.

To be honest, I'm still torn between getting the RASA kit or EK kit with an added GPU block + 140mm rad versus keeping with the custom set up I have listed above. I would save roughly $100 going with the RASA kit. I love the EK kit, but it wouldn't save me money - and it also comes with compression fittings which scare me (I dunno why...they seem like another thing that could break.)
I love my Rasa and highly recommend their kits for the price but you should go with the setup you are most comfortable with.

I do however want to reiterate my opinion on the 140mm radiator. That particular one is low flow, thin and quite useless from what I hear. This is the general opinion on all single rads in the stealth series but especially true of the 140mm one.

If you decide to go custom for your loop, please consider cutting that rad out of the mix, it will save you money, you will run less tubing and I dont think it will cost you any performance, even if you add another gpu later. I think it will be $63 down the drain.

On that note, I have never heard of a 140mm single rad that is worth the money. But if you insist on adding a rad to that section of your loop, spend the extra money and get the GT Xtreme, it might actually make a slight difference in your loop....though I doubt the difference will be noticeable next to that RX360.
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I love my Rasa and highly recommend their kits for the price but you should go with the setup you are most comfortable with.

I do however want to reiterate my opinion on the 140mm radiator. That particular one is low flow, thin and quite useless from what I hear. This is the general opinion on all single rads in the stealth series but especially true of the 140mm one.

If you decide to go custom for your loop, please consider cutting that rad out of the mix, it will save you money, you will run less tubing and I dont think it will cost you any performance, even if you add another gpu later. I think it will be $63 down the drain.

On that note, I have never heard of a 140mm single rad that is worth the money. But if you insist on adding a rad to that section of your loop, spend the extra money and get the GT Xtreme, it might actually make a slight difference in your loop....though I doubt the difference will be noticeable next to that RX360.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree about the 140 mm. I think it was muddying my choice of case. If I add another gpu I can always mount a rad outside of the case if the 120*3 isn't enough.

Man, this is tough to make a decision. Harder than for buying components, imo.

Still not quite sure if I should go to a kit or not -- although, I redid some of my math and either kit would definitely save some money. I'm leaning towards the EK; however, I'm still a little uncomfortable with the compression fittings (I think it's because they aren't as simple to understand as barb fittings.)

EDIT: With the 140mm rad removed, the price difference between the "custom" set up I listed in my first post and the EK kit + GPU *OR* RASA Kit + GPU is pretty small. The "custom" set up would be roughly $440, the RASA + GPU would be about $375, and the EK + GPU would be about $465. GRAHHAHHAHGHGH....I can't decide lol. If I went with the custom set up I could get the benefit of the RX 360 which is supposed to be a good buy and the EK CPU block which is supposedly rather decent as well.

EDIT: I'm suffering from such indecisiveness.
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Somehow I've figured out "water cooling" is not a cheap hobby. So, I suggest not go with RASA kit if you think you will expand your loop later on. I'd suggest go with a custom loop like you listed above, which is great way to start with.

For my experience, I went with the Rasa RX360 kit when I first built my water cooling rig. The only worth piece on this kit is the rad RX360 and the Rasa CPU block (the tubing comes with the kit is terrible).

Good luck with the build and remember post back your system here
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Here is a simple comparison of both kits....


As far as choosing which route to take, I say two factors: Price and style

I think all three options would perform very similar, so appearance and money should be the two things to weigh.

Let us know what you decide

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For my experience, I went with the Rasa RX360 kit when I first built my water cooling rig. The only worth piece on this kit is the rad RX360 and the Rasa CPU block (the tubing comes with the kit is terrible).
The tubing is fine, I bought some much more expensive tubing when I got my kit and ended up taking it out to rebuild my loop. When I rebuilt I used the tube included with the kit, it made no difference whatsoever.

While he is right about the custom build having a better pump, the 750 isnt bad at all. It may not be the most stylish, but as I said before, I am running mine on a 7 volt mod. It is dead quiet and is plenty powerful for 480mm of XSPC radiator.
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