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So I'm finally graduating high school and I can finally upgrade my crummy Pentium 4 and move onto the good stuff . Right Now I'm looking at a budget around $1500-1700 (Canadian) as I will need still need to purchase a laptop for university. I plan on using my rig mainly for gaming and it has to withstand lots of multitasking (music, internet, chats, etc.). I hope to keep this computer for roughly 5 years and hopefully longer. By that time I'll probably upgrade the RAM and Video Card.

As of now I plan to get:
Asus Sabertooth P67 + i7 2600k = $510
NZXT Phantom = $155
Asus GTX 570 = $360
Corsair 850W = $150
40GB SSD OCZ Vertex 2 = $115
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive = $100
Ram =???

Questions:
1) Should I get the Sabertooth or downgrade to a lower model?

2) Is the 850W PSU enough/too much?

3) I really want a SSD to put my OS on and some game files. Is 40gb enough to do this? If I need more I might just invest in another HDD

4) RAM; my big issue with this is I'm not sure what to get. I've heard with the Sandy Bridge processors, it can only use up to DDR2 Memory. Is that correct?

5) ASUS Motherboard and Video Card: Is Asus the best brand for those parts or should I look into other manufactures?

6) I've read some other posts and found other people with the same issue: first time builders and scared of screwing up. I'm on the same boat. I've seen many videos but still, I am very scared of wasting $1500. I'm worried about grounding myself, applying thermal paste, and adjusting the bios.

Thank you all in advance!!
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post #2 of 20
I would stick with the sabertooth mobo.

That PSU is a great purchase and will fit your needs perfectly

I have a 32 gb SSD for windows and I can manage easily. 40 gigs will be plenty. Make sure to install your games on the HDD obviously due to lack of space

I don't know the answer to questions number 4 unfortuantely

I've always gone with ASUS mobo and GPUS and have never had either fail on me. I'm rather satisfied with ASUS.

Relax! I remember my first build too and I was very nervous. You don't have to be at all though. Its simply a puzzle and you take your time and piece it together and you will be fine. Just make sure all of your parts are compatible before purchasing. once you pick all your parts, you should post links and we can give you feedback whether they will work with each other or not.
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post #3 of 20
You dont need a 850 watt psu, 650 would do you if you dont plan on getting another 570.

You want atleast 4gb of ddr3 1600mhz ram.
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post #4 of 20
1) Sabertooth is pretty good, but if you're just going to game get the 2500k. The 2600k will only benefit you if you do a lot of encoding, compiling, or you just want bonus points when folding.

2)850W is overkill for your system. Get a 650W or even a 750W if you want to be future-proofed for later crossfire/sli setups.

3)SSD's are amazing, but 40GB will be filled up with general apps and OS. I personally don't like to move games on and off of my SSD, so I wouldn't need more than 40GB. However, if you do want to put some games on it, go for something larger.

4) Sandybridge motherboards use DDR3. I'd suggest getting 4GB of 1600MHz ram, something like this kit. Sandybridge prefers higher speeds over tighter timings, but 1600MHz is still plenty fast. Going with higher speeds gets expensive quick. Also, you shouldn't get anything with a voltage over 1.65V. 1.65 voltage ram will work, but if you can get a 1.5V kit I'd recommend it.

5) Asus is pretty good, but some of their motherboards have been having problems. My P8P67 Deluxe has a weird cold boot issue, but I haven't heard any complaints about the Sabertooth.

As for video cards, Asus, MSI, EVGA, and XFX all make good cards. If you want to get a 570, I'd suggest getting the Asus DCII as it will run cooler and more quietly with it's aftermarket coolers.

6) There are ton's of guides everywhere which will help you along with your first build. As long as you are patient and careful, you should be fine. This guide covers all the facets of building a computer, and should be a good reference if you want to know more about any particular topic. But as always, your motherboard manual will be your friend. The primary channel for RAM isn't always the farthest left slot.
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post #5 of 20
bigger ssd, take the money from 2600k and get the 2500k and put it towards the ssd, u could also save money and get a spinpoint f3 1tb i think there 55 on the egg right now
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post #6 of 20
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rtooth&x=0&y=0 What is the difference between the two motherboards? What does REV3.0 do?

I'm certain that I will be going for a 2600k.

As for RAM, if i do go higher than 1600 MHz, will it be worth it or will I just be spending useless money. And most likely I will be looking for 8 GBs of memory.
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post #7 of 20
The Rev 3.0 motherboard fixed the chipset bug which degraded sata performance.

As for the RAM, you won't get much value out of ram above 1600MHz unless you're doing extreme overclocking or benchmarking.
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post #8 of 20
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So I should be looking to purchase the Rev 3.0 one?

For RAM, what difference does the Voltage of 1.65 and 1.5 make? And is G-Skill the best brand to go with?

Do you have any HDD suggestions? If I do go with a 40 Gb SSD, I don't think I'll need such an expensive HDD like the one i have listed above. Do you have any suggestions of a good HDD that won't fail on me and has a relatively good history?
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post #9 of 20
Definitely DEFINITELY go with 2x4Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Ram. You will not be disappointed. Nothing is capable of utilizing 1.65V on RAM yet (1.5V is max). To be honest, any decent RAM will perform pretty much the same in comparison to others.

Check out my sig rig. It cost me about your price range as well, and I effing love it.

-yes SSD for a boot drive is a must, otherwise you'll be bottle-necking your whole system.

I use my Crucial 64Gb SSD for my OS and applications such as photoshop, etc.
I use my WD Caviar Black 1Tb for my "Steam" and "Non-Steam" folder (lol, yes. two folders.)
I use my WD Caviar Green 1.5Tb for storage such as music, movies, pictures, etc.


If I may also make a suggestion. Go with two gtx 560 ti's in sli. It comes out to about, or less than $500 (By the way, I'm Canadian as well ). GTX 560 ti in sli outperforms the 580 by a longshot, and is generally cheaper. I know you're probably thinking, "oh yeah, but P67 only supports x8 x8 in two way sli". The answer is yes. It does only support x8 x8, HOWEVER.. Since you chose an Asus P67 mobo (great choice)... They have integrated bi-directional bandwidth into the board. So instead of the lane taking turns reading/then writing/then reading/then writing, etc. It does both at the same time. That's right. It reads and writes at the same time 24/7. In doing so, it doubles the speed being that it can now read and write at the same time consistently. It is still x8 x8, but it performs (pretty much exactly) as fast as true x16 x16.

The only difference in fps will be about 1~3 being that it isn't "true x16 x16"

Here's some links for purchases:
SSD- http://www.memoryhouse.com/products/...DAC064MAG_1G1/
GTX 560 Ti [MSI Twin Frozr II]- http://www.directcanada.com/products...=MSI/MICROSTAR
Corsair Vengeance 8Gb- http://www.anitec.ca/product/854028/...z8gx3m2a1866c9
Edited by H3XUS - 4/27/11 at 9:02pm
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post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by H3XUS View Post
Definitely DEFINITELY go with 2x4Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Ram. You will not be disappointed.

Check out my sig rig. It cost me about your price range as well, and I effing love it.

-yes SSD for a boot drive is a must, otherwise you'll be bottle-necking your whole system.

I use my Crucial 64Gb SSD for my OS and applications such as photoshop, etc.
I use my WD Caviar Black 1Tb for my "Steam" and "Non-Steam" folder (lol, yes. two folders.)
I use my WD Caviar Green 1.5Tb for storage such as music, movies, pictures, etc.


If I may also make a suggestion. Go with two gtx 560 ti's in sli. It comes out to about, or less than $500 (By the way, I'm Canadian as well ). GTX 560 ti in sli outperforms the 580 by a longshot, and is generally cheaper. I know you're probably thinking, "oh yeah, but P67 only supports x8 x8 in two way sli". The answer is yes. It does only support x8 x8, HOWEVER.. Since you chose an Asus P67 mobo (great choice)... They have integrated bi-directional bandwidth into the board. So instead of the lane taking turns reading/then writing/then reading/then writing, etc. It does both at the same time. That's right. It reads and writes at the same time 24/7. In doing so, it doubles the speed being that it can now read and write at the same time consistently. It is still x8 x8, but it performs (pretty much exactly) as fast as true x16 x16.

The only difference in fps will be about 1~3 being that it isn't "true x16 x16"
For the Video Cards, I'll be honest with you and just say I only understood that last line LOL. I'm fairly new to building computers so for now I think I'll just stick with one 570 and in the future if I need it i might purchase another one haha.

Why did you feel that Corsair was better than G-Skill?
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