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Too much corruption everywhere. Corporations start taking liberties and abusing the consumer, hacker communities get enraged and want to teach corporations they need consumers with some moral vindication, corporation gets angry and restricts more things, and hackers lose any arguments of morality they had and just retaliate all the while the only person really suffering is the consumer.

It'd be nice if everyone could be sensible and moral but sadly it will never happen; almost makes you hope for something in 2012
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Too much corruption everywhere. Corporations start taking liberties and abusing the consumer, hacker communities get enraged and want to teach corporations they need consumers with some moral vindication, corporation gets angry and restricts more things, and hackers lose any arguments of morality they had and just retaliate all the while the only person really suffering is the consumer.

It'd be nice if everyone could be sensible and moral but sadly it will never happen; almost makes you hope for something in 2012
In the case of the PS3, tell me where the "corporation" being Sony took liberties and abused the consumer?
GeoHot threatened Sony with a Linux-exploit. Sony did exactly what any other company would do - stop it before GeoHot could release it. They removed OtherOS.
You can argue what they did was wrong because SOME (very few) people did use OtherOS legitimately but Geo was the reason it got removed in the first place.
Yet you think the "hackers" have arguments of "morality", and that retaliation by breaking in and stealing personal information is justified?

I cannot fathom the amount of stuff people are saying. It just has gotten way too bad. Arguments of morality is a complete contradiction to what's being done.
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they are moving the servers to the next room....
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In the case of the PS3, tell me where the "corporation" being Sony took liberties and abused the consumer?
GeoHot threatened Sony with a Linux-exploit. Sony did exactly what any other company would do - stop it before GeoHot could release it. They removed OtherOS.
You can argue what they did was wrong because SOME (very few) people did use OtherOS legitimately but Geo was the reason it got removed in the first place.
Yet you think the "hackers" have arguments of "morality", and that retaliation by breaking in and stealing personal information is justified?

I cannot fathom the amount of stuff people are saying. It just has gotten way too bad. Arguments of morality is a complete contradiction to what's being done.
It is refreshing that someone of your age/generation still thinks, what I call "normally". Most around your age or younger have some warped sense of the world as a whole, morality included. I don't usually even argue with them anymore, It just gives me a headache. I am floored almost ever single day reading on here. Someone or (usually)several leave me when I try to comprehend why they think they way they do. Then again, maybe I'm just getting old
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I canceled my debit card just in case.
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It is refreshing that someone of your age/generation still thinks, what I call "normally". Most around your age or younger have some warped sense of the world as a whole, morality included. I don't usually even argue with them anymore, It just gives me a headache. I am floored almost ever single day reading on here. Someone or (usually)several leave me when I try to comprehend why they think they way they do. Then again, maybe I'm just getting old
It's not just him. Unfortunately we are in the minority. See, we grew up in an age when you were disciplined for doing something wrong. All these kids know is "go sit in the corner with your plushie."

Two wrongs don't make a right. While Sony did what it had to do, it did take some aspects of their case out of hand, which was wrong. Anonymous takes PSN down, which affected consumers more than anyone else. People they were "trying to protect from the evil giant called Sony." And now this hack has occurred.

Yet the majority of people on OCN's news section and it seems, around the net think it's something glorious. It really isn't. Logic and morality fail these people. They're the same kind of people that would see a woman laying in the street that was just hit by a car and take off with her purse instead of helping her.

Truth hurts.
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In the case of the PS3, tell me where the "corporation" being Sony took liberties and abused the consumer?
GeoHot threatened Sony with a Linux-exploit. Sony did exactly what any other company would do - stop it before GeoHot could release it. They removed OtherOS.
You can argue what they did was wrong because SOME (very few) people did use OtherOS legitimately but Geo was the reason it got removed in the first place.
Yet you think the "hackers" have arguments of "morality", and that retaliation by breaking in and stealing personal information is justified?

I cannot fathom the amount of stuff people are saying. It just has gotten way too bad. Arguments of morality is a complete contradiction to what's being done.
I was speaking in a general sense; I'm not defending either party. OtherOS was a very lightly used feature and I agree it was the quickest and easiest way to take care of the problem; I also feel people blew it way out of proportion with their reactions and then hackers try to justify their actions against them, then Sony fights back, then the hackers cross lines of any moral action but continue to try to justify themselves, and the only person to suffer are consumers.

What I'm saying is the hackers have a somewhat valid moral argument in the beginning but they blow everything out of proportion and lose any sense of morality after a short amount of time.
It's saddening how little moderation people have these days; it's either one extreme or the other.

You sir seem to be one of the few who use moderation in evaluating situations still

Sorry if I'm not effectively expressing what I'm trying to say; it's late and my mind isn't functioning well lol
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I hope sony closes shop. Really its not an American company you do know that SONY stands for: SOON to OWN NEW YORK.

So if your for sony your against america.


Also, SONY is practicing BAD business practices please see:
http://www.overclock.net/rumors-unco...anies-can.html
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The psn hackers main motivation was to use fake credit card credentials to browse free on the PS Store.

Seeing here and elsewhere that a lot of people complain about charges in downloadable and disc locked content it is no surprise the hackers get support.

But Sony staff will use this to their advantage and tighten security, not only regarding the console.

When the Ps2 slim removed support for the linux kit some years ago, very few complained. Perhaps the best option would have been to sell ps3 cheaper and add linux support as an optional extra including a keyboard, mouse, manual and dvd charge only or 1 year support, since software is free. Then no one would complain and hackers would not meddle with cheaters, modders and pirates
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It is refreshing that someone of your age/generation still thinks, what I call "normally". Most around your age or younger have some warped sense of the world as a whole, morality included. I don't usually even argue with them anymore, It just gives me a headache. I am floored almost ever single day reading on here. Someone or (usually)several leave me when I try to comprehend why they think they way they do. Then again, maybe I'm just getting old
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It's not just him. Unfortunately we are in the minority. See, we grew up in an age when you were disciplined for doing something wrong. All these kids know is "go sit in the corner with your plushie."

Two wrongs don't make a right. While Sony did what it had to do, it did take some aspects of their case out of hand, which was wrong. Anonymous takes PSN down, which affected consumers more than anyone else. People they were "trying to protect from the evil giant called Sony." And now this hack has occurred.

Yet the majority of people on OCN's news section and it seems, around the net think it's something glorious. It really isn't. Logic and morality fail these people. They're the same kind of people that would see a woman laying in the street that was just hit by a car and take off with her purse instead of helping her.

Truth hurts.
Well put guys. The lack of discipline in most of today's youth is insane; just the thought of being whipped when I was a kid kept me behaved lol. There's a lot more I can say on this but it'd be a long spiel that most people wouldn't read and it's late and I need to finish homework
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