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The install disc isn't really 4.3GB is it?


That's disgusting.



Looks like you can install it using just the first CD, but then you just end up with a bloated version of Arch. The only real difference is that slack asks you a few more questions and doesn't let you change anything.


From everything enorbet has said I gathered that slackware didn't require any of this time intensive manual setup, else why is he complaining about having to "manually" install mouse/keyboard drivers and a DE in Arch? Using pacman is really no different than manually selecting packages in the slack setup. I didn't realize it was literally Arch linux without a proper package manager/repository.


Am I missing something here? If you need the full DVD I think I'll pass. That's 90 minutes more than it takes to download the Arch iso on my 7MBit connection, and I can install Arch with the post-install setup in under 60 minutes.
    
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Its not the download time that bugs me. Its the simple fact that a 6GB+ install is standard on what I've been lead to believe is a "clean" distro. What is this, Windows?
    
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Its not the download time that bugs me. Its the simple fact that a 6GB+ install is standard on what I've been lead to believe is a "clean" distro. What is this, Windows?
Haha, no no no no, it's way trickier than Windows
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Greetz
Kriminy I really didn't expect someone with some Linux uptime to actually fall into the trap of expecting something new to be just like what you're used to <sigh> but OK here we go.....

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The install disc isn't really 4.3GB is it?
That's disgusting.
I really don't understand your fetish for small, and obsession for this so-called "bloat" especially considering that this isn't Windows whose centralization causes near exponential growth any time something is installed or uninstalled. To be kind all I can say is one man's bloat, at least in Linux and especially Slackware, is another man's thorough and complete.

What you apparently don't yet grasp, Nathris, is that Slackware does not need to nor engage in altering it's base structure or it's packages in order to make them play nice with auto-dependency package management. It's vanilla on a scale that Arch truly does not have, even though Arch is a branch off the Slack tree, and I know this from experience. On this same box I ran Arch intensively and on it's own terms for over 4 months and tried parallel vanilla jobs such as compiling from source and running installation .run apps for numerous others. Needless to say they were effortless on Slack and often took "jumping through hoops" to get them to run and work properly in Arch. At least Arch did run the nVidia .run installer perfectly with no bs like with the *Buntus.


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Looks like you can install it using just the first CD, but then you just end up with a bloated version of Arch. The only real difference i that slack asks you a few more questions and doesn't let you change anything.
Actually most people will want at least the first two for the full release because Extras is a very valuable resource for specialized apps that are also guaranteed to work with the release with little or no real effort. What couldn't you change in the install process is absolutely minimal because Slack won't let you paint yourself into a corner by choosing something during install that will require something else once installed. BTW Your analogy is bass ackwards since Arch came from Slack, not the other way around and is a kin to saying a Ford GT is just a bloated Ford

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From everything enorbet has said I gathered that slackware didn't require any of this time intensive manual setup, else why is he complaining about having to "manually" install mouse/keyboard drivers and a DE in Arch? Using pacman is really no different than manually selecting packages in the slack setup. I didn't realize it was literally Arch linux without a proper package manager/repository.
C'mon nathris just what was "manual" and how time intensive was it? I have posted links to install tutorials like this one did you bother to check one out or just jump in determined to hate it?

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Am I missing something here? If you need the full DVD I think I'll pass. That's 90 minutes more than it takes to download the Arch iso on my 7MBit connection, and I can install Arch with the post-install setup in under 60 minutes.


If an hour and a half download is a big enough obstacle to stop you in your tracks then by all means stick with Arch. It is a decent distro. Just please stop spreading FUD about something of which you have zero experience beyond angrily feinting contemplating the install.

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i personally prefer slackware over arch, for numerous reasons. but like most things it is not for everyone. it took me awhile to adjust to slack coming from ubuntu, but once i understood its main principle of KISS, i found it very refreshing and easy to use.

dunno guess slackware will always hold a special place for me, as i remember using it back in the day, when it was difficult its a reminder how much i've learned in this journey, and how much more i could learn.

arch is a good place to go after ubuntu imho, if you want to go thru the headache of all that i've honestly had more problems with dependency issues in arch than i've ever had in ubuntu, in slackware its typically due to the fact i don't have it, in arch, its cause the mirror i'm on has spun out and no longer supported, and its typically a package from aur that has screwed me up.

to each his own, continue to enjoy arch at least you tried slackware (maybe that was the problem, you "tried" it, and didn't use it...)
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In nathris's defense I sympathize on the install DVD thing. But that is simply because I have even worse of a connection that he does. I'll be lucky to get a 4GB download done in 4 hours with my supposedly 5Mbps connection.

Outside of that I thought Slack was much easier than Arch to "try" especially considering the way both start out. I'm far from the "advanced" Linux user and yet I found Slack to be as easy to install as Kubuntu, Fedora, and openSUSE though lacking a slick GUI.

For me the big issues were getting WIFI and the display drivers for my Nvidia card setup and from the looks of 13.37 they include the Nvidia drivers (iirc) and since I'm using a AP now I don't have to worry about WIFI drivers either.

PS: To show just how much of noob I am; can someone point me to the damn ISO link for the 64bit 13.37 release in a US mirror? I found a few of them didn't even have 13.37.
     
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to each his own, continue to enjoy arch at least you tried slackware (maybe that was the problem, you "tried" it, and didn't use it...)
Actually that seems unclear since he said the DL was so disturbing he'd "pass". So it might be interesting if nathris posted whether he actually performed any install let alone a complete (recommended) install.

I don't know how Linux ppl got so wussy. One of the guys that turned me on to Slackware, a dude named "ufodZiner", downloaded it on a poor 28.8 connection and it took 2 days!That's commitment.
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Greetz - Hang in for the hot tip

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For me the big issues were getting WIFI and the display drivers for my Nvidia card setup and from the looks of 13.37 they include the Nvidia drivers (iirc) and since I'm using a AP now I don't have to worry about WIFI drivers either.
I don't understand. nVidia drivers have been a breeze to install for many years, since they first came out actually. They are slightly more complex now because nVidia prefers a complete source tree for the kernel and a fully built "make modules && make modules install" iirc. I may not rc since I always build a custom kernel anyway but nvidia does not require that you customize and install a custom kernel, only that the same version you installed is complemented by all proper source short of kernel "make install". IIRC kernel headers and kernel modules package may work but if you plan to do any source work it only takes a short time to run

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make mrproper&&make oldconfig&&make menuconfig&&make bzImage&&make modules&&make modules_install

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PS: To show just how much of noob I am; can someone point me to the damn ISO link for the 64bit 13.37 release in a US mirror? I found a few of them didn't even have 13.37.
Seriously do not bother with a US location. Get it right from Alien Bob because that Dude has some FAT pipes! I downloaded the DVD (actually a few different ones) and got a steady, pegged 24mb/sec. His up must be epic.

64 bit http://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/sl...e64-13.37-iso/

32 bit http://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/sl...are-13.37-iso/

However before you do that consider both torrent and rsync, explained here

http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/go-g...ailable-13-37/
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