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Why would AMD base their K10 architecture off of K7 instead of K8?
Because K8 was based off of K7 as well. This is the first completely new architecture since then.
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Why would AMD base their K10 architecture off of K7 instead of K8?
Because the K8 architecture is also based off of the Athlon64 architecture with improvements... AMD doesn't have money like Intel to create new architectures from ground up.

They did a great job with improving it throughout the years.
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Because the K8 architecture is also based off of the Athlon64 architecture with improvements... AMD doesn't have money like Intel to create new architectures from ground up.

They did a great job with improving it throughout the years.
That explains a lot, since I haven't researched AMD as extensively.

So, does this mean that 'Fusion', or K11 can be just as powerful as AMD wants it to be?

In any case, it would appear that K11 is going to be with us for the next 7 years, so Bulldozer is going to be extremely crucial.

I just don't understand why AMD doesn't have as much money as Intel. Their GPU business is huge.
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That explains a lot, since I haven't researched AMD as extensively.

So, does this mean that 'Fusion', or K11 can be just as powerful as AMD wants it to be?

In any case, it would appear that K11 is going to be with us for the next 7 years, so Bulldozer is going to be extremely crucial.

I just don't understand why AMD doesn't have as much money as Intel. Their GPU business is huge.
Intel's unfair business practices really put a hurting on AMD. They're not even completely recovered from that yet.
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That explains a lot, since I haven't researched AMD as extensively.

So, does this mean that 'Fusion', or K11 can be just as powerful as AMD wants it to be?

In any case, it would appear that K11 is going to be with us for the next 7 years, so Bulldozer is going to be extremely crucial.

I just don't understand why AMD doesn't have as much money as Intel. Their GPU business is huge.
I remember hearing that Fusion will eventually be based on Bulldozer so the Phenom II architecture they will be using for Llano will use Bulldozer cores in a few years.

I actually like how AMD will be using the GPU to offload CPU intensive applications.
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Intel's unfair business practices really put a hurting on AMD. They're not even completely recovered from that yet.
AMD is like a Dunkin Donuts when Intel is like Google. Intel is probably 20x bigger+richer than AMD. Intel has many different line Including flash memory, SSD, Networking gears, CPU, Motherboard and much more. It is very hard for AMD to outdo Intel since Intel has a much deeper pocket and a team of mean lawyers. You never EVER compare Intel with AMD please. AMD is absolutely a winner at its price point but when it comes to pure performance, Intel has an upper hand. Intel can screw up AMD anyway he wants, he keeps the little guy in game cuz the anti-trust act.
Edited by MaddenModer - 4/28/11 at 9:52am
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Intel's unfair business practices really put a hurting on AMD. They're not even completely recovered from that yet.
Last thing I remember is Intel got fined 1,000,000,000$ from the EU for that.

All I know is my uncle manages several fabs for Intel in New York.. and he's really not poor.
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That explains a lot, since I haven't researched AMD as extensively.

So, does this mean that 'Fusion', or K11 can be just as powerful as AMD wants it to be?

In any case, it would appear that K11 is going to be with us for the next 7 years, so Bulldozer is going to be extremely crucial.

I just don't understand why AMD doesn't have as much money as Intel. Their GPU business is huge.
You're joking, right? It's well publicized as to what and why Intel is so far ahead in the CPU market.

As for this topic, I could care less if Bulldozer wins or loses the battle with Sandy Bridge. I am very thankful, on the other hand, that AMD makes it possible for me to build high-quality and great bang-for-the-buck components that allow me to build four good, not great, PCs for < $1500. Before getting the Athlon II for my server ($215 or so with 5 parts...allowing for a new PC in the home), I tried to build one with an i3. Of course, it would have cost me another $100, which I don't have lying around.

Basically, if you can afford Intel and are buying it for performance reasons (i.e. i7), go get it. If you are buying an e8400 NOW (outdated socket) instead of Phenom II, on the other hand, you're clearly one of those fools who is buying based on brand name and Intel is laughing all the way to the bank.
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I remember hearing that Fusion will eventually be based on Bulldozer so the Phenom II architecture they will be using for Llano will use Bulldozer cores in a few years.

I actually like how AMD will be using the GPU to offload CPU intensive applications.
Fusion is the new architecture. Bulldozer is what uses it.
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Sad for all the people who saved up for it, only to be unhappy with it.
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