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I think BD should be on par with SB and at a strategic price wink.gif

Better competetion is always good for all smile.gif
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I'm expecting the BD X6 to be a little bit better then the 2500K and the x8 a bit better then the 2600K. It's a completely new architecture, alot is possible. Why wouldn't they be able to surpass SB's IPC performance with a new arch ? The fact is WE DON'T KNOW.

If it does "fail" tough and the X8 is rougly the same performance then a 2600K (and overclocks as good) and it isn't a lot more expensive I will get it, because I have trust in them they would improve it. If the X8 is worse then the 2600K ... screw AMD, I'm getting a nice 2600K wink.gif (I never had any Intel cpu actually)
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I don't think anyone besides hardcore geeks can tell the difference. The majority of regualr consumer will still enjoy both. Never hurt to have two players, just one has to understand its position and don't try to be number one. This kinda remind me a one day that I saw a GAP jeans selling for more expensive than Banana's republic. AMD you know you are cheap and please stay cheap, never try to be Intel. Cuz we already have one.
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I think what were going to see is >= multitasking compared to SB, but thread for thread, I seriously doubt AMD jumped ahead 2-3 generations in terms of performance/clock speed.

Entry level ivy bridge should come in ~ 2600K price or a little higher at most, it will be 1155 comptaible, its the 2011 socket sandy bridge chips that are gonna cost an arm and 2 legs like the 990x.

If bulldozer can fold better than a 2600K, it will be my dedicated folding rig, if not, im waiting til IB & buying 2 of them, 1 to fold and 1 to upgrade sig rig.
    
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Originally Posted by MaddenModer;13306991 
I don't think anyone besides hardcore geeks can tell the difference. The majority of regualr consumer will still enjoy both. Never hurt to have two players, just one has to understand its position and don't try to be number one. This kinda remind me a one day that I saw a GAP jeans selling for more expensive than Banana's republic. AMD you know you are cheap and please stay cheap, never try to be Intel. Cuz we already have one.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. If AMD settles for number 2 and doesn't try to push anything, Intel will become complacent with being number one and progress will not be made as fast as it should.
post #136 of 255
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Originally Posted by Track;13306712 
That's not exactly helpful.

And I'm pretty sure Intel has products to cover ever market segment and price point, so the "AMD is cheaper" argument is moot.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intel+scandal+amd&l=1

As for the market segment, of course Intel has it covered. The problem is that if I want a "cheap" solution (i.e. $60), I'm going to have to look to the 775 socket. OK, fine. Let's say you buy it. Three years go buy and you want to upgrade. Guess what? You have to buy a new motherboard and RAM.

If I went the AM3 route (which I finally did!), I'll only have to upgrade my CPU assuming AM3 motherboards will have BIOS flash to allow support for newer CPU's. That's what I was trying to state.
post #137 of 255
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Originally Posted by Damn_Smooth;13307032 
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. If AMD settles for number 2 and doesn't try to push anything, Intel will become complacent with being number one and progress will not be made as fast as it should.
Hmm, that is not exactly what I meant to say actually. I want AMD to stay like 20 to 30% slower than Intel but for 50% cheaper:) I love AMD for its great value and I don't want to see the old socket 939 age to come back:( I paid 310 for my old 939 4200x2. I probably build 10 AMD machines for friends and family in 2010 and they all love it. The onboard video is amazing and it can handles wow at a good frame rate. The same thing can't happen for Intel setup. Not to mention that I spend like 280 for each system:) For 280, I can't even buy a 2600k:d now I have a whole system from AMD with triple core for 280.
Edited by MaddenModer - 4/28/11 at 10:25am
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Ill be like "whatever" and move on with my life.
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I already made the jump to Sandy Bridge. At best I'll be happy for AMD users if BD trounces SB.
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The subject line is somewhat subjective. If bulldozer fails to do what exactly?

In the general sence Bulldozer cannot "Fail" if it is a decent percentage increase in processing power well beyond the previous generation. I can only assume this to mean "Outperform an equal pricepoint multicore Intel offering for the enthusiast minority by some percentage that the general populace would not see in their applications?"

Both companies have and are continuing to bring multiple similar products with a broad range of Clock's, Cores, local Cache, 3rd level Cache, QPI speeds etc...

To OCN membership however, what is relevant is Price vs Clock Speed in the most simplified sense. AMD can and will deliver multicore faster than their previous offerings. My Fortune 500 company is a full AMD server shop with well over 2500 Servers. Our Desktops & Laptops however are Intel based.

For the server space AMD offerings were more favorable to my company price wise for the required performance by far. So bulldozer won't carte blanche fail.

Intel definetely has not been sitting on their heels doing only the status quo. They have multicore down to a science, and from the roadmaps that we've seen, are preparing a multitier'ed delivery model.

That said, they can at any time decide to change things up once AMD shows their hand. I pray a price war breaks out, but I don't think it likely. More like Non verbal communication to keep prices higher than they should be at the enthusiast level.

I still don't see the need for both devices in another topic (GPU, CPU), and would love to see a port of windows ruinning on the GPU alone tongue.gif
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