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post #61 of 255
If Bulldozer has less performance than even Sandy Bridge I will be upset that I have to wait a few more months to get Ivy Bridge on 2011 Platform. I dislike the overclocking of 1155 it seems to easy and boring... At least with Bulldozer I should be able to play with the FSB and northbridge.
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post #62 of 255
When BD comes out it'll probably be too expensive to be worth the $ anyways.
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Won't be too peeved, Intel will just bring something better out soon after anywho.

And then AMD will bring something better out, and then Intel will and so on and so on.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pietro sk View Post
in youtube video, Llano (tuned K10) had better pi score than SB.

do you people think this new architecture will fail ?
come on .. seriously
Well it's a different architecture and not exactly mature yet either so there is a potential. But with a refresh and better tuning I'm sure that the Enhanced BD will rip apart Ivy Bridge.

I can't really think of any good examples but when do most people make the jump from one technology to the next? It's usually when it's more widely adopted and tuned/mature.

So from CD players to MP3 players lets say. A lot of people were still clinging to the more mature CD player because it had more market penetration and was tuned and a mature technology. However once MP3 players were refreshed and tweaked (and priced at an affordable level for mainstream consumers) to be better did more people adopt them.

I had an old iRiver MP3 player, those were like the first few MP3 players out. TBH I didn't like it very much, it was awesome and cool tech but the MP3 player wasn't really mature at that stage (I was one of those early adopters and basically a "test subject" for the MP3 manufacturers). Fast forward to my second MP3 player the Sansa and I love that thing it's a more mature and "complete" MP3 player tuned and tweaked to be kickass and I totally forgot about CD players.

So where am I going with this.... If the first gen BD isn't that great and only manages to match SB's performance then I won't fret too much. AMD just has to do some tweaks and make it more "complete" to really make it shine. (That is if CPU tweaking works like the process for tweaking other products).

PS: Like I said earlier I'm planning on skipping BD because I'm poor and need to buy myself a bike and safety gear. I'll be grabbing a Llano with the K10 stars core maybe or possibly waiting it out for the Trinity chips that are supposed to be BD based.
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post #65 of 255
I'm using a tuned 1090T and still dominating most SB users on SC2. You can have the best gear in the world, but you can still suck. As for folding, I get killed, and I know it. End of that discussion.

Bulldozer needs to be able to keep up with IVY Bridge, not SB. Intel can release Ivy earlier if BD is a real threat, and already has Haswell in the works, just for good measure.

Either way, I won't be upgrading my CPU for at least another year. SB wasn't justifiable, and BD probably won't be either. IB maybe. But graphics are another story...
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Originally Posted by IcedEarth View Post
Hell even when AMD where in the lead with Athlon, practically everyone still had P4 for some strange reason.
It couldn't be because Intel bought out companies such as HP and Fujitsu to hide AMD products on their websites...

Also, when I was working at Fry's Electronics, most of the middle-aged to elderly hadn't even heard of AMD and thus refused to buy a system that sported it, instead opting to go with something they deemed more "reliable."

In any case, if Bulldozer fails compared to even Sandy Bridge, I will be disappointed, but still make it my next upgrade as I have never had a reason to have the "best," (I'm a private citizen, I don't run a render farm, do medical imaging, engineering, or much content creation to where every second counts) AMD has always met my needs at the right price. One of the reasons I like AMD is that when they have the best, they still price it competitively which is something Intel is just learning to do (with Sandy Bridge). Even when AMD's Athlon 64 FX was $1000, Intel still priced its inferior Pentium 4 EE at $1000. You can all thank AMD for the i5 2500k being 230 USD and not twice that because of how competitively AMD sells six-cores for.

I much prefer AMD's upgrade bath too, when I have my AM3+ motherboard, I will be able to stick an Enhanced Bulldozer into where as the poor Intel customers have to upgrade their socket every damned time Intel makes a new CPU, they don't even keep their enthusiast chips on the same socket as their mainstream ones anymore! I can't imagine what goes on in people's brains when they hand Intel all those piles of hard earned cash, all the while Intel is laughing all the way to the bank.

AMD had been on top since the K6 and it wasn't until the Core 2 that they really started to dwindle in comparison. Of course you can blame that on less money for R&D from Intel disgusting business practices and overall brand recognition. Either way, Intel's lead is only an arbitrary number game the likes of which I will not buy into.

Anyone remember Cyrix?
Edited by dodger.blue - 4/28/11 at 8:09am
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post #67 of 255
I really hope it does well, competition is good.
post #68 of 255
Is it going to be faster than a 2500k or 2600k for less money?
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The 8 core the 6 core or the 4 core?

I'd say unless the 4 core is as good as the i5-2500k and the 6 core is slightly better than the i7-2600k thus making the 8 core a $400+ cpu its going to be too slow for me.

That said $200 is my sweet spot, give or take a few $$. If the 8 core competes with the i7-2600k it will be out of my price range... 6 Cores is starting to be of value, but not worth the extra money, and not worth the per core performance hit if there is one as a gamer.
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post #70 of 255
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
The 8 core the 6 core or the 4 core?

I'd say unless the 4 core is as good as the i5-2500k and the 6 core is slightly better than the i7-2600k thus making the 8 core a $400+ cpu its going to be too slow for me.

That said $200 is my sweet spot, give or take a few $$. If the 8 core competes with the i7-2600k it will be out of my price range... 6 Cores is starting to be of value, but not worth the extra money, and not worth the per core performance hit if there is one as a gamer.
The only 8-core models are the top-end server chips. They'll probably cost 750$+.

Edit: I thought your talking about Sandy Bridge-E. My bad.
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