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Wont happen the Next 20 Years.

Software thats compiled for x86 100% , x64 5%, ARM 0% even if there is a ARM Windows it will run nothing.

Anybody remember Crusoe they talked the **** out of it yeaaa we´ll do RISC/VLIW emulating x86 and it was just fail.

As long the Software share is not atlast 50% Compiled for it pepole would just skip it. Same with x64 nowdays hardly any 64 bit apps around, and EMT64 is in the CPU´s for atlast 6 Years.
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But many/most people only use a few application's and play on-line games.
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Originally Posted by erniv2 View Post
Wont happen the Next 20 Years.

Software thats compiled for x86 100% , x64 5%, ARM 0% even if there is a ARM Windows it will run nothing.

Anybody remember Crusoe they talked the **** out of it yeaaa we´ll do RISC/VLIW emulating x86 and it was just fail.

As long the Software share is not atlast 50% Compiled for it pepole would just skip it. Same with x64 nowdays hardly any 64 bit apps around, and EMT64 is in the CPU´s for atlast 6 Years.
Have you just come through a worm hole from 2007? I might've agreed with your statement then, but really, no X64 apps in 2011?
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x86 is an old inefficient architecture. It should die.
Examples please....

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Originally Posted by erniv2 View Post
Anybody remember Crusoe they talked the **** out of it yeaaa we´ll do RISC/VLIW emulating x86 and it was just fail.
Transmeta did come up with some good ideas and is licensing their technology out still.


What would be interesting today is the Chinese Loongson which will suppose to emulate x86. (Not sure if legal.)



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Originally Posted by erniv2 View Post
Same with x64 nowdays hardly any 64 bit apps around, and EMT64 is in the CPU´s for atlast 6 Years.
Hardly any? There are a lot of scientific, financial, simulation/modeling, geography, video, math, etc software that are 64-bit. Developers know they gain a performance increase so they utilize 64-bit. Just because they are not retail or commercial products does not mean they do not exist.
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/29/11 at 8:11am
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http://features.techworld.com/operat...n-the-itanium/

They were supposed to be used in servers, workstations, and HPC. However, its performance per watt and x86 emulation was beyond appalling.

Microsoft, Red Hat, and Oracle no longer support Itanium. There is no point for Itanium anymore. The high end Intel Xeons got much more traction.

workstation hpc and servers isnt client space ... so youve just proved my last point ....


and he didnt quote the same link you just did ...


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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Transmeta did come up with some good ideas and is licensing their technology out still.


What would be interesting today is the Chinese Loongson which will suppose to emulate x86. (Not sure if legal.)

china is popular for bootleg products right???

so why stop because of licensing problem ... it might be used as a supercomputer chip from all we know ... used by china's supercomputer
Edited by Fr0sty - 4/29/11 at 8:51am
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huh?

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So far ARM has been quite good at persuading people to give it some ground.

For example, it has managed to convince Microsoft to support its full Windows operating system running on ARM processors.
so far? how long has Windows been out and dictating the landscape of the PC market?

i think they're confusing the importance of mobile, with the importance of desktops, and given how the iPad has given rise to tablets as a viable option in the eyes of a lot of people, it's fairly obvious that MS would want to get a piece of that pie. i don't think the two are as closely related as this article makes it out to be.

after all Intel is now working on Oak Trail or w/e as well, and look what happened to their XScale processors - they died off in the face of competition from ARM... hence, people want a piece of the mobile pie. can't say that's totally because of ARM, nor that success in mobile translates to success on the desktop end.

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But there is also the possibility that AMD might choose to abandon difficult and expensive attempts to develop its own multicore x86 architecture
correct me if i'm wrong - aren't K6, K8, K10, and Bulldozer AMD's own architectures? not all are multicore but my point still stands

i think this article is rather sensationalist, unless it's gone over my head.

that said AMD going ARM could be smart... could be very smart.
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i think this article is rather sensationalist, unless it's gone over my head.

that said AMD going ARM could be smart... could be very smart.

Intel already is invested in the mobile/tablet/portable market with Atom. Dropping Atom to develop an ARM processor would signal defeat and I'm not sure Intel would do that. The Atom line is suppose to cover up to nettop level performance.

AMD on the other hand does not have anything lower than netbook performance. Brazos was never designed for mobile or tablets. Therefore, AMD could develop ARM processors without canabalizing their market. AMD does have the CPU+GPU+Chipset experience needed for high-performance ARM.
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This quote made me chuckle

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But there is also the possibility that AMD might choose to abandon difficult and expensive attempts to develop its own multicore x86 architecture in competition with Intel and, instead, allow ARM to provide its cores.
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Not that it really matters to this discussion, but ARM doesn't manufacture chips. They design them and make money off of patents and royalties. ARM was actually co founded by Apple. I'm a shareholder
Sir, you imply ARM makes money. They do not.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=ARMH

edit-Neither does AMD for that matter.
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Because arm is not british chip designer. It's globalist chip designer. They need more adoption to generate more buzz. They want them in everything for spying and tracking. But people are rejecting smart phones right and left and pretending they aren't is not working any more.
Most wireless phone companies customer and market share reporting is as fake as can be. The business claims 270 million customers in america out of some 320 to 360 million population depending on source. There's like 40 million people that are babies to 10 year olds and 40 million people who old and won't adopt the technology. The numbers are lies.
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You do realize it's possible for there to be more mobile equiped devices than there are people in a country right? Also, 360-80=280 million which is more than the quoted 270 million.
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Does intel have 28nm chips in labs? Yes.
Does IBM have 28 nm chips in labs? Yes.
Do they suck. Yes.
Did they suck as much as last year? No
Will they roll out sucky disappointing products? Yes.
Uhm, what?
    
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