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Originally Posted by sccr64472 View Post
ARM Holdings has a current market cap of 14.1 billion dollars. AMD's market cap is currently 6.2 billion dollars. How on Earth are you imagining AMD coming up with the money to swallow ARMH?
And how exactly do you suppose a company that actually makes millions of chips a year is worth less than a company that just licenses?
Arm has a market cap of 14.1 billion but is worth about tree fiddy. I mean seriously come on. Imagine if you will. AMD being worth 6.2 billion. Then suddenly they license off one of their old risc chips, lets say the 29050. And become worth 20 billion dollars because of it.
Things are so distorted and weird that they don't make any sense. Arm used to be acorn they buried them using intel, bought the license and it's now a ponzi scheme owned by Morgan Stanley. It was no good for the desktop in 1998 and it's no good for the phone and tablet market. I would rather have a MIPS chip for a tablet.
There's a lot of things out there saying what they are worth but very little of it's true.
So far a chinese entertainment company who did nothing but play videos and streaming content on busses has been outed, A clean coal plant with one customer and no real income that was basically a back yard operation has been outed. And a guy with a history of fraud was able to squeeze a zero due dilligence IPO through. As well as the OCZ fiasco. And I'm beginning to think AMD tossed global foundries because it was just being too dirty and illegal for them to tolerate any more.
Arm licenses are puffed because they are selling into industries that puff and it's just a account with nothing in it.

And that's what makes this whole AMD is licensing arm thing so very very very very strange. Because it's kind of like the mafia saying AMD is going to be paying protection money. This mafia killed off via in a deleware kangaroo courtoom and probably stole a whole lot of it's chipset work. So I'm thinking something strange is afoot at the circle k.
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This definitely won't be happening for a while, especially after seeing the Llano tests.
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And how exactly do you suppose a company that actually makes millions of chips a year is worth less than a company that just licenses?
Arm has a market cap of 14.1 billion but is worth about tree fiddy. I mean seriously come on. Imagine if you will. AMD being worth 6.2 billion. Then suddenly they license off one of their old risc chips, lets say the 29050. And become worth 20 billion dollars because of it.
Things are so distorted and weird that they don't make any sense. Arm used to be acorn they buried them using intel, bought the license and it's now a ponzi scheme owned by Morgan Stanley. It was no good for the desktop in 1998 and it's no good for the phone and tablet market. I would rather have a MIPS chip for a tablet.
There's a lot of things out there saying what they are worth but very little of it's true.
So far a chinese entertainment company who did nothing but play videos and streaming content on busses has been outed, A clean coal plant with one customer and no real income that was basically a back yard operation has been outed. And a guy with a history of fraud was able to squeeze a zero due dilligence IPO through. As well as the OCZ fiasco. And I'm beginning to think AMD tossed global foundries because it was just being too dirty and illegal for them to tolerate any more.
Arm licenses are puffed because they are selling into industries that puff and it's just a account with nothing in it.

And that's what makes this whole AMD is licensing arm thing so very very very very strange. Because it's kind of like the mafia saying AMD is going to be paying protection money. This mafia killed off via in a deleware kangaroo courtoom and probably stole a whole lot of it's chipset work. So I'm thinking something strange is afoot at the circle k.
I don't know what you're saying but I agree completely.
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Emulation is slow. Can you imagine it running x86 at a decent speed and with a decent thermal envelope and an affordable die size ? That would take years to accomplish and you'd have to stop writing x86 code right now.

Anyway, in another thread, it was made evident: AMD is not going to license ARM technology. Here: http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...m-license.html
Emulation via hardware isn't slow, actually, I'm saying if they put the basic features a x86 chip needs inside the ARM chip as well (And made them share cache, etc Bulldozer style) then you can offload the x86 instructions to that pipeline so they get processed by a practically native x86 chip, while devs transition to ARM.

I don't know if it could actually be done like that, but it'd be the best solution IMO.

It's a shame AMD isn't doing it, they could compete very well and make a decent amount of cash doing so.
    
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Wont happen the Next 20 Years.

Software thats compiled for x86 100% , x64 5%, ARM 0% even if there is a ARM Windows it will run nothing.

Anybody remember Crusoe they talked the **** out of it yeaaa we´ll do RISC/VLIW emulating x86 and it was just fail.

As long the Software share is not atlast 50% Compiled for it pepole would just skip it. Same with x64 nowdays hardly any 64 bit apps around, and EMT64 is in the CPU´s for atlast 6 Years.
I would be quiet, if I were you.




@geoxile - you still haven't answered my request to "elaborate" upon your point.
Edited by newphase - 4/30/11 at 11:27pm
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