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Hi, all. First post on OCN, but I've been a long-time lurker..

I just ordered an MSI Twin Frozr III GTX570 PE, yesterday, and I haven't quite been able to find the answer to a question, on OCN or otherwise.

I know that this version of the card has a non-reference board, and boasts "6+1" Phases for "maximum overclocking potential", but my question is whether or not anyone knows which number they're adding the "+1" to. From reading around on the dead 570 thread, as well as a few others, it seems that six VRMs for the GPU seems to be the "safe and sweet spot", and most of the "top end" cards are now running a total of 8 VRMS (6 GPU, 2 Memory)..

So, now, does anyone know if the TFIII GTX570 has a TOTAL of "7" (6+1) VRMS (So, 5 GPU, 2 Memory), or are they advertising specifically the GPU VRMS? It seems like having that 9 VRM (6+1 GPU, so 7.. and the 2 on Memory) would be even safer, but I can't seem to find this information, anywhere. At $30 above reference (and seemingly, the most expensive GTX570), this card BETTER be designed with the same features that the other "top end" models are offering.

I have yet to find any actual reviews anywhere, but have good experience and information about the TF series and their performance. I also have yet to see anyone who has torched their TFIII PE specifically, but it's not a very common model to have, at the cost.

Has anyone taken one of these apart and checked the VRMS?
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9899...frozr-iii.html
Here is a guy who bought the TFIII card.
And yes 6+1 or (X + Y) means X for the gpu and Y for the memory, as power phases ofcourse. So 6+1 means 6 phases for gpu and 1 for the memory. It does oc well, its only competition is asus's DcII version, but its 3 slot card.
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9899...frozr-iii.html
Here is a guy who bought the TFIII card.
And yes 6+1 or (X + Y) means X for the gpu and Y for the memory, as power phases ofcourse. So 6+1 means 6 phases for gpu and 1 for the memory. It does oc well, its only competition is asus's DcII version, but its 3 slot card.
Thank you so much for your response!

Ah, okay, that makes sense. It seems a bit strange to take one away from the memory, and add two to the GPU itself, though. Does this cause any problems with memory overclocking? From what I had seen, part of the concern with the torched 570's is that it may be looking like memory overclocking is a cause.

I did see the post that you linked, though, and read through it fairly thoroughly, and hadn't found the information that I was looking for. Of course, evidently I was not familiar with the format in which they show the VRM counts. I was under the impression that the 6+1 meant like,"our board has SIX, AAAAAND an extra one", but I suppose the x+y actually being a format does make a lot more sense.

I'm a tad worried about the fact that the DCII has 6+2, and this TFIII only has 6+1.. I feel like I'm missing something, as far as the value goes. I almost feel like I may have made the wrong choice, but at the same time, I don't have a whole lot of interest in the blocky and oversized DCII. Obviously, 6+1 is still better than the 4+2 that the reference has, at least for GPU phases. I'm still a bit worried about the lost memory phase, though.

Either way, the cost isn't a huge loss, as the free 3DMark11 with it kinda cancels out $20 of the cost difference, but I specifically went for what I thought was the best card, and I may have been wrong. I guess that I'll just have to throw what I can at the TFIII, and see what I can achieve. I suppose if I absolutely need to, I could RMA for the DCII, but I hate the look and size of it. :\\
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I don't think you made the wrong choice at all. I actually bought a DCII and I'm going to return it for the TF3.

The TF3 is a much better overclocker as far as I know, but I'll get mine in later today and let you know if you're interested.

Overclocking the memory doesn't yield results that are as important as increasing the core. I am quite sure you can still OC the memory to 2100+ though either way.
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Thank you so much for your response!

Ah, okay, that makes sense. It seems a bit strange to take one away from the memory, and add two to the GPU itself, though. Does this cause any problems with memory overclocking? From what I had seen, part of the concern with the torched 570's is that it may be looking like memory overclocking is a cause.

I did see the post that you linked, though, and read through it fairly thoroughly, and hadn't found the information that I was looking for. Of course, evidently I was not familiar with the format in which they show the VRM counts. I was under the impression that the 6+1 meant like,"our board has SIX, AAAAAND an extra one", but I suppose the x+y actually being a format does make a lot more sense.

I'm a tad worried about the fact that the DCII has 6+2, and this TFIII only has 6+1.. I feel like I'm missing something, as far as the value goes. I almost feel like I may have made the wrong choice, but at the same time, I don't have a whole lot of interest in the blocky and oversized DCII. Obviously, 6+1 is still better than the 4+2 that the reference has, at least for GPU phases. I'm still a bit worried about the lost memory phase, though.

Either way, the cost isn't a huge loss, as the free 3DMark11 with it kinda cancels out $20 of the cost difference, but I specifically went for what I thought was the best card, and I may have been wrong. I guess that I'll just have to throw what I can at the TFIII, and see what I can achieve. I suppose if I absolutely need to, I could RMA for the DCII, but I hate the look and size of it. :\\
Depends on the componenets used on each phase. For all we know, each phase could be twice as strong as the nVidia reference design
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