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post #191 of 321
I guess the only test left now is to see how Dual 3GB 580's and Tri 3GB 580's do at this resolution.

And use a 2600K at 4.5 or a 980x @ 4.5 which should be easy to reach to eliminate any doubts of CPU bottlenecks.
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Really?

You'd test $1500 worth of cards on a single 12*10 monitor?

Don't you understand the point of this review?

Like I said those single monitor, small res tests have been beat to death for months now.
This. We finally get a decent review of Surround resolution scaling and then the single monitor guys complain. I, for one, have been waiting for this kind of review for a while. Every other time they review SLi, Tri-SLi or Quad-SLi, it's either 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200 or 2560x1600. Those reviews tell me more about the cpu, not the gpus. They mean nothing to me.
 
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This test is unfair too, all they did was test at 5760x1200, of course amd will win all those tests because of more vram. Lower that rest to the normal 1920x1080/1200 which is what people actually game at and nvidia should be on top. Also the fact that they tested a 6990/6970 and not triple 6970 is dumb.

Another useless comparison. They need to do ALL resolutions for crying out loud.
One reason why a 6990 is used is because you can't use 3 6970s for triple+ monitors. 6950/70s only have 2 DP. Using mixed DP-DVI ports causes screen tearing.
You don't need 3 580s for 1080P either. Even 2 is enough for 1600P when OCd most of the time.
Switching to 5760x1080(more common) would help the Fermis tremendously as well as seen in other reviews due to VRAM.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/29/11 at 1:48pm
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Hey guys, update from the [H] side since Kyle is probably busy. He has finished the SB rig and is stress testing at a 4.7GHz OC. He says it's been stable so far, and shouldn't have to go lower than 4.6GHz in a worst case scenario. I think he intends to ship today so Brent can begin testing next week. Link


Also, to address the concerns over VRAM: Brent checked the VRAM usage of the 580s and made sure to keep the settings low enough across both cards so that the 580s never maxed out their VRAM usage. This has two effects. First, this should test the processing power of both cards fairly since neither card is capped on VRAM. This is reflected in the FPS charts. If AMD is beating NVidia in these charts, then it should be due to more processing power and better scaling, not more VRAM. Additionally, this setup means that if the chart says a certain setting range, the AMD setup may actually still have the performance headroom to push the settings higher while still remaining at acceptable framerates due to more VRAM. The max playable settings are noted in the text.

As for the resolution, [H] tends to look at max playable settings. Game dependent, they consider this as 30-45 FPS. These setups would go well beyond those frame rates on lower resolutions, so [H] does not consider it worth the time to review the lower resolutions for multi-card setups. By running high resolutions, they try to see what kind of max playable settings you can get at acceptable framerates. Bear in mind that Brent has to play through entire levels multiple times, at different settings, on several different games, and across multiple hardware configurations. This takes a long time and they can't cover everything. They do they best they can to give us the most informative reviews possible.

Not trying to start a war over whose reviewing methods are better. Just trying to shed some light on why [H] tests the way they do. Hopefully you guys can appreciate their work and add them to your short list of places to look when making a buying decision.
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Hey guys, update from the [H] side since Kyle is probably busy. He has finished the SB rig and is stress testing at a 4.7GHz OC. He says it's been stable so far, and shouldn't have to go lower than 4.6GHz in a worst case scenario. I think he intends to ship today so Brent can begin testing next week. Link


Also, to address the concerns over VRAM: Brent checked the VRAM usage of the 580s and made sure to keep the settings low enough across both cards so that the 580s never maxed out their VRAM usage. This has two effects. First, this should test the processing power of both cards fairly since neither card is capped on VRAM. This is reflected in the FPS charts. If AMD is beating NVidia in these charts, then it should be due to more processing power and better scaling, not more VRAM. Additionally, this setup means that if the chart says a certain setting range, the AMD setup may actually still have the performance headroom to push the settings higher while still remaining at acceptable framerates due to more VRAM. The max playable settings are noted in the text.

As for the resolution, [H] tends to look at max playable settings. Game dependent, they consider this as 30-45 FPS. These setups would go well beyond those frame rates on lower resolutions, so [H] does not consider it worth the time to review the lower resolutions for multi-card setups. By running high resolutions, they try to see what kind of max playable settings you can get at acceptable framerates. Bear in mind that Brent has to play through entire levels multiple times, at different settings, on several different games, and across multiple hardware configurations. This takes a long time and they can't cover everything. They do they best they can to give us the most informative reviews possible.

Not trying to start a war over whose reviewing methods are better. Just trying to shed some light on why [H] tests the way they do. Hopefully you guys can appreciate their work and add them to your short list of places to look when making a buying decision.
Well thats nice, but I don't think it will make much difference. I am predicting ATI still wins at these resolutions, its just the way it is.

I am very curious as to how you enforce the max GPU VRAM usage. Do you try settings and just see how close you can get to 1528MB? Because I assure you, it goes up and down by 100s of MB depending on where in the benchmark / game you are at. These spikes are detrimental to any type of "performance" monitoring you may be doing.

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24/7 with 2X590? Are you sure? Not afraid of the VRMs on your 590s a little bit? Those are my 24/7 settings btw. Come on. Be honest. You keep your 590s OC 24/7? You wrote somewhere that it took you 6 HOURS tweaking the OC on your 590. 6 HOURS! So be honest here...
Only thing on my computer that has a 24/7 OC is my CPU. Nothing else needs a 24/7 overclock in my rig. You tell me how long it takes to run 25~30 benchmarks of 3DMark11 and a dozen or so Heaven runs, and dealing with the occasional crash/reboot/unstable overclock. Plus I like to roll with caution 6 hours is nothing, I generally spend a week.

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Then do it, be my guest. 22K GPU score 3D Mark 11 with your 24/7 settings. BTW, I don't care about the CPU score, since we are talking about GPUs here. Not the subject of the thread

No. I'm ''beating'' you (like I care for synthetic benchmarks) on GPU scores. Look again. Subject of the thread: GPUs.

And here's what I paid for me GPUs. 6990 = 700$, XFX 6970 325$ (with manufacturer rebate), Powercolor 6970 = 325$ (with manufacturer rabate).

Total: 1350$. How much $ for 2X590? And how much for 580 Quad-SLI?
A better score is a better score Its all good though, I paid more money for mine, but I am happy with it. I would prefer to run Heaven, as I have no power draw limitation in Heaven. I am beating your overall score with 13% overclock in 3DMark11 as opposed to what I can do in Heaven 30~35%. So its possible for me to catch up to you GPU score wise. I truly hope so, someday.


SandyBridge:
I was commenting on all the results I have seen with SandyBridge show low Combined score (which is important) which effectively lowers your 3DMark11 score. Looks like it is bottlenecking those cards. Combined score is the most realistic portion of the benchmark, it greatly taxes both the GPUs/CPUs at the same time. Yours looks too low to me.
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kinda sad to see you sort of stooping down RC. his gpu score is higher than yours with the same number of GPU's, for less money. you came off to me before as the type of guy who would be ok with something like that. surely this is just playful ribbing?
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kinda sad to see you sort of stooping down RC. his gpu score is higher than yours with the same number of GPU's, for less money. you came off to me before as the type of guy who would be ok with something like that. surely this is just playful ribbing?
Oh it totally is. I re-read that post and egads it came out waaaaaay different than it sounded in my head. So I re-worked it.

I also edited my last post for Levesque, I accidentally quoted everything Levesque said, and it looked like I was saying I could do better than his score, when I was referring to my score. Unfortunately I can only half overclock my cards with 3DMark11/Vantage as of now.

He has great scores, but his feathers do get ruffled too easy. I want to see him on HWbot pushing some numbers for team Overclock.net I don't think anything in the world is faster than 4x 6970 GPUs. You could say 4x 3GB GTX 580s, but thats arguably better at certain levels of resolutions.

There is only one faster 2 card using guy in the world in Hwbot... its a pair of 6990s Can you imagine the look on my face to destroy my previous scores only to see a pair of 6990s only 100 points higher?!? Hahaha its all in good fun for me.
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Hey guys, update from the [H] side since Kyle is probably busy. He has finished the SB rig and is stress testing at a 4.7GHz OC. He says it's been stable so far, and shouldn't have to go lower than 4.6GHz in a worst case scenario. I think he intends to ship today so Brent can begin testing next week. Link


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As for the resolution, [H] tends to look at max playable settings. Game dependent, they consider this as 30-45 FPS. These setups would go well beyond those frame rates on lower resolutions, so [H] does not consider it worth the time to review the lower resolutions for multi-card setups. By running high resolutions, they try to see what kind of max playable settings you can get at acceptable framerates. Bear in mind that Brent has to play through entire levels multiple times, at different settings, on several different games, and across multiple hardware configurations. This takes a long time and they can't cover everything. They do they best they can to give us the most informative reviews possible.

Not trying to start a war over whose reviewing methods are better. Just trying to shed some light on why [H] tests the way they do. Hopefully you guys can appreciate their work and add them to your short list of places to look when making a buying decision.
Yes H always has great reviews, we'd just like to see more cpu power with these monster gpu systems.

I know he shuns synthetics.
But I'd like to see Vantage, most notably the CPU score, curious to see if AMD has fixed the cpu overhead required for multi card set ups.

BTW 2500k or 2600k?
If it's a 2600k, will HT be on or off?
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I also edited my last post for Levesque, I accidentally quoted everything Levesque said, and it looked like I was saying I could do better than his score, when I was referring to my score.
No harm done. I hate the internet exactly for that reason. You wanted to say something, and to me it was meaning something else entirely. But now I undersand what you meant. And since english is my third language, I also have a language barrier to overcome.

In front of ice-cold beer, in a bar, it would be so much easier and much more fun...

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He has great scores, but his feathers do get ruffled too easy.
I know. But honestly, it's truely the language barrier at work here. What I want to say, and what I'm writing, are often 2 different things, sadly.

In French, it would be so much easier for me to say what i really want to say.


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Hahaha its all in good fun for me.
Cool. We are all here for one reason only, and it's to have fun with our toys. We often forget that we are only talking about graphic cards, and not life-threatening conditions.

And I really think that people here are exagerating the CPU speed ''issue''. HardOCP are doing a great job for all of us. The apples-to-apples comparison is rather unique, and I really appreciate reading those.

People are easily forgetting that it takes them hours to write those reviews and articles. It's alot of hard work.
    
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